CHESS PUZZLE, FEN 3q2k1/6p1/2p2pPp/r2p1P1P/P3p1K1/2PbP3/8/8 b - -

Added by:keithhomeyer
Added on:21-Feb-10
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chess puzzle 3q2k1/6p1/2p2pPp/r2p1P1P/P3p1K1/2PbP3/8/8 b - -
Attempts:1003
Solved:666 (66%)
Black to move, mate in 4
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smartkid2
18-Dec-18, 02:20

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Resignation overdue?
Begs the question - why was Elijah still playing?  
brkst
18-Dec-18, 02:21

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Bad puzzle
This is a good example of a bad puzzle, since there is no less than three possible first moves for black ( Qb8, Qc7 and Qd6).
ulmer_1
18-Dec-18, 03:42

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Super Puzzle
A super puzzle is puzzle #215638.
linglinn
18-Dec-18, 04:20

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patzerking
18-Dec-18, 07:13

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It's not even a puzzle, really. It's from a game. It's just Black to play and win.
brkst
18-Dec-18, 07:25

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@marels
The established definition of a chess puzzle is that it should only have one solution, especially when it comes to the first move. What´s the point of having several solutions? Then you can argue that you can solve this in four, five or eight moves as well and still call it a puzzle.
ender71
18-Dec-18, 08:21

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dkapitator
18-Dec-18, 08:24

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Couple responses
smartkid2, Elijah probably resigned, seeing the inevitability of mate. But that doesn't mean we can't use the position as an instructive and amusing puzzle.

brkst, this being from a game, I can give some leeway since all three first moves serve the same purpose. That said, I agree it would have been more pleasing for the author to have moved the c pawn back a space to row 7 and note that the position was modified slightly to allow for only a single solution.
igorthegreat
18-Dec-18, 18:32

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@brkst
While you do have a point that Black has 3 different 1st moves, they all lead the Queen to the same diagonal. So, my question is, is it really 3 solutions? Technically, yes. But, in spirit of the game, I would say no.

Just my opinion, for what it's worth.  
brkst
19-Dec-18, 00:09

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@igorthegreat
In principal you´re right, but for the beauty of it, it would have been easy just to put some pieces on c6 and b7, for instance a white Night on b7 and a white Bishop on b8.
igorthegreat
19-Dec-18, 02:52

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@brkst
You make a fair point.
kingdawar
06-Jun-23, 00:45

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Groundhog day
brkst is right and it's a bad, bad thing that this entry gets the privilege of being featured on the frontpage not once, but twice!
kaupanger
06-Jun-23, 04:15

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Disagree!
A chess puzzle that stipulates mate in x is only a "failure" if mate is possible in less than x moves or requires more than x moves. It matters not how many possible solutions there are. The number of possible solutions may, or may not, detract from the aesthetics. Here, the solution has a single theme. I disagree with brskt's initial reasoning and his/her "established definition of a chess puzzle is that it should only have one solution". In my day (when dinosaurs roamed the earth), it was considered "bad" for a puzzle to begin with a check. This may still be the case. In the end, the only safe assertion I can make is that I've seen some "puzzles" that I like better and some that I like worse.
aarouge
06-Jun-23, 09:24

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A good puzzle
It's a good puzzle, I mean, to practical players. An average good puzzle to practical players, average players, club players. Not a better one, far from a gem, but an instructive, simple, and honest puzzle. Cooked, with three solutions in move 1, but to practical players it matters little. Is the daily puzzle in GK mainly to problemists? Every puzzle here must be a problem? And, more, problems, in general, help less a player than positions from real games. Problems, in great percentage, with Kings in the middle the board, arounded by many White and Black pieces; completely artificial positions. There are instructive problems, particulary smart miniatures, with beautiful mating patterns, but unfortunately these type of problem is the exception.
mistercharlie
06-Jun-23, 14:02

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@ smartkid2
Why was white still playing? Black could have been short on time. They could have both been poor players and white was hoping for mistakes. Who knows? There are a ton of annotations on gk by people who would still be playing under these circumstances
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