CHESS PUZZLE, FEN Q3R3/1B6/7r/1b2Bp2/1N3R1r/n1P1k2p/8/2K5 w - -

Added by:elpafio
Added on:17-Jan-11
Description:
Difficulty:
chess puzzle Q3R3/1B6/7r/1b2Bp2/1N3R1r/n1P1k2p/8/2K5 w - -
Attempts:721
Solved:104 (14%)
White to move, mate in 2
Comments: (9) » LastGo to last comment
From Comment
justinjkropf
04-Nov-15, 05:40

» Report abuse
Awesome
Really liked this puzzle, as one has to find all the responses black has to all of white's threats. So many close calls, it's one of the things that makes a great puzzle, IMHO.
chesscode
04-Nov-15, 06:23

» Report abuse
great puzzle with duals ?
1.Ba6 Bxe8!
2.Qf3#(2.Rf3#; 2.Nd5#)
----------------------------
in the puzzle above we have for example 2 duals in the mating move

kindly regards and have a nice day
Lutz
justinjkropf
04-Nov-15, 06:56

» Report abuse
@chesscode
Yes, there are multiple ways to mate after some of black's moves. That's simply because white creates so many threats with his first move, that black cannot defend them all. Depending on what black responds, white can mate with Qf3, Nd5, Bf6, Bd6, Rf3, Bd4. I don't think that's unusual for a great puzzle. What's generally important for a good puzzle is that the first move is unique, and in multi-move puzzles, that the main line also requires unique moves for the mating side. Obviously if the "opponent" plays less optimal moves, there will be more than one way to mate. I think that's generally understood. In this puzzle, there is only one first move by white that will allow mate on the following, no matter what black does. It's not easy to find, but is logical once you study it.

Nice day to you as well!
chesscode
04-Nov-15, 07:28

» Report abuse
"that the main line also requires unique moves for the mating side"
... and exactly to what is written by justinjkropf above anybody can see in one of the "main lines" like
1.Ba6 Bxe8!
2.Qf3#(2.Rf3#; 2.Nd5#)
that we have 2 duals with 2.Rf3# and 2.Nd5# for the "mating side" ( NOT "unique moves" by white )
and so we can't have here a "great" puzzle

kindly regards
Lutz
justinjkropf
04-Nov-15, 08:19

» Report abuse
@chesscode
By multi-move (which precedes the quote about the main line), I mean generally 4+ moves, or even more so, endgame studies. In a 2-mover, the idea is often to create multiple threats in such a way that one response cannot defend against all of them or without creating another weakness. Bxe8 does not deserve a "!", as it does nothing against the 3 mates you rightly list. To me, the idea is 1. Ba6! which introduces Q or R f3 as the mate threat. The main reply (to me) would be 1...Bc6, cutting the coordination of Q+R. But now, white's bishop is eyeing the square e2, allowing a mate with the bishop.

With a two-move solution, I'm not sure we can really talk about "main-line", as it's so short. Yet there are clearly some tries for black that are better than alternatives (for instance Rg6, or R6h5 are just silly and allow multiple mates). But I don't think that that takes away from the greatness of the puzzle in requiring an absolutely precise first move.
chesscode
04-Nov-15, 09:12

» Report abuse
... DUALS ...
DUALS in 2-movers like above
with 1.Ba6 Bxe8! 2.Qf3#(2.Rf3#; 2.Nd5#)
are not desired and are diminishing the value of a puzzle ...
kindly regards
Lutz
isgtbtk
04-Nov-15, 21:18

» Report abuse
See about that!
www.theproblemist.org

See everything, especially page 6 onwards.
snailmate
11-Nov-23, 06:27

» Report abuse
The potential interference on c6 between Black's rook and bishop stuck out like a sore thumb, pointing to mate by either 2. Qa7, or by discovered check from the bishop on E5. As the position stands, the issue is how to guard the escape square e2 in the case of the first line, and how to protect the rook from the black bishop so that White can follow 1...Ke2 with 2. Be6. It took me a while to see that the latter is achieved by a pin on the black bishop, which only comes into effect after Black' moves to e2.

The objections about so-called "dual lines" do not apply; the important thing is that the key move is unique.
fredkohn
11-Nov-23, 16:14

» Report abuse
Apparently in 1932 they didn’t worry so much about duals on the mating move.
Account required
Please log in to post comments.