CHESS PUZZLE, FEN 2N4r/R7/2n5/1p3pk1/8/R1PK2b1/3P2n1/1B1b4 b - -

Added by:desertfoxxx
Added on:02-Jun-12
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chess puzzle 2N4r/R7/2n5/1p3pk1/8/R1PK2b1/3P2n1/1B1b4 b - -
Attempts:775
Solved:136 (17%)
Black to move, mate in 2
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jordanz1997
19-Feb-14, 00:20

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A hard puzzle?
How did this qualify as a "hard puzzle"?
White simply had no worthwhile response to the first move; no variation in the mating piece!
sirissac
19-Feb-14, 01:11

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The key itself is somewhat elusive compared to all the options Black has. That and the impending check against Black suggest (to some people) that a forcing move is required.
chessking48
19-Feb-14, 04:18

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I can't believe this
This is poorly constructed because (Rd8 check) produces mate in 2 also yet it does not solve the puzzle. Totally bias and atrocious that the creator only wants this to be solved one way when there are multiple. fix this.
martenp
19-Feb-14, 04:29

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sigh
If you think there is another solution go to options--> another solution. You can enter your solution there and the computer will go over all possible responses and refute your idea if you were wrong. If you weren't wrong, an extra solution is added and this will be accepted in the future.

I will spare you the trouble of doing that this time: 1... Rd8 doesn't work because of 2. Rd7 Rxd7 3.Nd6 Rxd6# making it mate in 3 instead of 2
kingdawar
19-Feb-14, 04:46

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As a general rule, you have to type a message and click the send button first before you can even start realizing how silly you've just made yourself look... so don't judge/convict those who leave silly comments  
martenp
19-Feb-14, 04:49

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kingdawar
I guess I could have been a lot more kind in explaining this, but this type of comment occurs quite a lot, so I lose my patience every now and then
fezzik
19-Feb-14, 06:57

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17% solve rate
I found this about as difficult as today's easy puzzle. I spent about a minute on each. The easy puzzle has a 81% solve rate currently.

But with a 17% solve rate, this is rightly considered to be "hard".
jordanz1997
19-Feb-14, 07:09

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fezzik
I don't think solve rate is a good indication whether the puzzle is hard or not. It could be that the majority of solvers attempting this puzzle are not in the 'expert' category.

My question is how did this puzzle get classified as 'hard' in the first place, i.e. before it is put up as a daily puzzle.
phonybenoni
19-Feb-14, 09:30

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I don't know if it's the number of stars or the solve rate that qualifies this as a "hard" puzzle. But 15% definitely qualifies.

This seems to be one of those puzzles where you see the idea quickly, or not at all. If the right move doesn't come, you can use up those five guesses in a hurry.

I considered 1...Rd8+ without thinking, noticed Black had two interpositions, and moved on. It was soon clear that one good check would mate the trapped king, but that most of White's pieces were frozen as square guarders.

Next I considered 1...Rh3, threatening discovered check and mate by any of the nine moves of the bishop on g3. Many professional problem composers would have used this as a set-up to force a single bishop move for Black's responses. For instance, after 1...Rh3 2.Re2, Black must play 2...Be5#. If White plays 2.Rh2, then Black must play 2...Bh4#.

The problem with this whole contraption is the reply 2.Rb2+, which can't be countered by any bishop move. Examining the situation again, I realized that 2.Rb2+ simply had to be stopped by Any Means Necessary. The knight on c6 can't do that because it has to guard d4. However, the bishop on g3 isn't actually doing anything, so if it moves to c7 blocking the rook ... bingo!

It's an odd situation where it's actually easy to see the possibility of a discovered check in which the bishop blocks Black's defenses, but not so easy to considermaking the blocking move first.
rook2d2
19-Feb-14, 09:40

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The hard but easy puzzle
This puzzle is easy because the king is surrounded and all you have to do is work out where the king can escape too,which is having time to move f5 and escape,unless you move the wrong piece and let him escape so you soon realise what rank you need to be on and how to stop whites rook activity.
moe78
19-Feb-14, 09:59

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not so bad.
I didn't dislike the puzzle. I could solve it but spent a little while.
jordanz1997
19-Feb-14, 10:16

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too one-dimensional
You would have realized that all of white's responses to thwart black rook's mating, Rh3+, missed by more than a mile. White's main pieces just could not reach in time the 3 squares, g3, f3 & e3, to protect the king at all.

This puzzle is made less interesting due to the lack of multi-mating threats.

Once you have tackled white's nuisance check, Rg7+, it becomes easy to see the key move!
macheide
19-Feb-14, 11:12

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A beautiful puzzle. Thanks.
gasping
19-Feb-14, 12:56

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Fairly easy
This puzzle is easy once you consider that:
1) You can only move the dark squared bishop, rook and king to not give white a chance to escape.
2) Moving the king to any square will result in check.
3) Only the rook can checkmate.
4) The rook can interpose the rook or give a check to the king if left open on the 7th rank.
5) The dark squared bishop is blocking the checkmate by the black rook.
6) You can block the rook on the 7th rank with the bishop to avoid interposition or check, giving you a mate in one afterward.

Using this logic, I solved this puzzle in under half a minute, and I am HORRIBLE at solving hard puzzles.
finnjimmy
19-Feb-14, 19:27

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Great puzzle
I am a middle-ranked player and spent quite a while on the puzzle, often following phonybenoni's line of thought. I then got my first attempt wrong, putting the dark bishop on the wrong square.
I admire gasping and others who saw it very quickly, but I don't think that detracts from the fact it is a fine puzzle and I'm not surprised by the 17% solve rate.
Thanks desertfoxxx
scottsquatch
30-Apr-23, 04:35

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Clever 1st move
I saw that white's king had nowhere to go, but I also noticed white's potential check at Rg7+. For me, that's usually a clue that I have to make a check in order to avoid being placed in check if I want to checkmate in the correct number of moves, right? I tried a number of checks on white to no avail. Well, the first move with the black bishop was brilliant because it both BLOCKED the potential check at Rg7+, AND at the same time it opened up the 3rd rank for the kill. It also blocked white from playing Rh7, which would cause checkmate to occur in 3 instead of 2 moves. Essentially simple, but still brilliant. I gave it 4 stars, not because of its difficulty but because of its beauty. Thank you, desertfoxxx.
snailmate
30-Apr-23, 06:12

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The threatened check with White rook makes this very easy
Either black's first move must itself be a check, or Black must do something to stop White's threatened check. It's pretty easy to mentally eliminate all checking moves as key moves, leaving only the second option.
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