CHESS PUZZLE, FEN 6r1/pb3p1k/1p5q/4n1r1/3QPR2/4RB1P/PPP3P1/7K b - -

Added by:mika76
Added on:03-Jan-09
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chess puzzle 6r1/pb3p1k/1p5q/4n1r1/3QPR2/4RB1P/PPP3P1/7K b - -
Attempts:1700
Solved:1411 (83%)
Black to move, mate in 4
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jonellis
21-Dec-13, 02:48

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Oh no not another bloody queen sacrifice
Seriously, this is getting boring.
wayne1732
21-Dec-13, 06:28

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Not much there
Surprised at the obvious solution and that Von Essen didn't just resign.
plasmon
21-Dec-13, 08:57

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Queen sacs
jonellis is right. As I saw this puzzle, I spontaneously sacrificed my queen. Based on my experiences here I assumed that must be the right way to solve a chess puzzle in gameknot.com  
mama_site
21-Dec-13, 09:16

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puzzles and comments!!!!!!!!!!!!
sorry guys but i don't really appeciate your negative comments.
you're not the center of the world , and the puzzles are not made ONLY for YORSELF...!!!.....there are many other players who will happily enjoy all those puzzles!...(and thank you God i'm one of them)
i don't know who is running this site , but i would like to thank them all...... from all my heart for all they're doing, and generously , for all the little players such as me...!
so ,
thank you very much for all these amazing little puzzles you're daily sending

merry christmas and happy new year to all,
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mama.
luffe
21-Dec-13, 09:33

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Dont blame the queen!
I liked this puzzle where you could see the mathe lines for the castles. The queen had to be sacrificed.
pony_boy
21-Dec-13, 10:03

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Queen sacrificemakes for nice puzzle
It's a puzzle, mate. Not a Chess Manifesto.
fezzik
21-Dec-13, 11:00

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Q-sacs and Q-sacs
Several months ago, it felt as if every puzzle was a Q-sac, and each one seemed more obvious than the last.

Lately, there have been many positions where there was a choice of Q-sacs, and sometimes the Q-sac didn't even work!

I don't mind the latest spate of Q-sacs because they still require accurate calculation. For instance, this time, we had to work out what happens if White doesn't take the Queen, and what happens if white does take the Q.

The 82% solve rate is pretty high, especially considering yesterday's puzzle (which did not involve any sacrifices at all) scored ~39%.

So yeah, the players here are tuned into Q-sacs. That is not all bad though, especially if they look for Q-sacs in their own games!
sadiesgramps
21-Dec-13, 11:19

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The Arrogance of High Ratings
Mama_site-

You will notice that the complainers are much more highly rated than you or me. I think the complaints are just their way of showing off their expertise - that they are too good for the easy puzzle. Indeed, they likely are too good, which begs the question, why do they keep doing it? The answer, I think, lies in my second sentence.
maxwellunsmart
21-Dec-13, 11:49

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jonellis & wayne1732
I didn't notice you two making any comments on the hard puzzle today on how boring it was, What another mate in 2, I was looking so forward to another mate in 15. But then only 9% have gotten that one correct.
luffe
21-Dec-13, 13:27

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I know i puzzle - mate in one move. Would you like to see it? P.S. no queens involved.
elcrick
21-Dec-13, 16:32

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Objective
If the objective is just to solve the puzzle, then you will start with a Q sac, since that seems to be the trend. If your objective is to train your playing skills and be more aware of how you can accomplish a mate -no matter what the opponent plays- then you don't mind so many exercises that involve a Q sac, because you look for different possibilities, not just sacrificing the queen.

These exercises have helped me a lot. I used to be one that had to deplete the board of almost all pieces and mate my opponent with 2 rooks or the Q & a Rook.
Thanks to GameKnot for you help to improve my skills.
mika76
21-Dec-13, 17:24

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Hello all!
Its fun to be a puzzle-creator and read all comments, good or bad. I agree with you all. Of course everything is easy, if you know the correct answer. As someone said earlier... Try the harder section, if its too easy here. The negative comments are just the dearest to read. It says a lot of the ones behind those comments. Merry Christmas.
andycp
21-Dec-13, 19:25

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Agree
Despite the insecurity. Comments are the most interesting part of a puzzle.
pony_boy
24-Dec-13, 06:32

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Easy vs hard puzzles
Sometimes I just read the comments because they are more fun. And the easier the puzzle - the funnier the comments. Thanks to all and: Happy Hanukah, Kicking Kwanza, Rocking Ramadan, Merry Christmas, Festive Festivus, Feliz Navidad, Buon Natal, etc. Someone please help me with the Francaise, Deutsche, et al. Don't want to leave anybody out.
Your Pony_boy
mistercharlie
04-Jul-23, 08:54

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Move order
The interesting part of this puzzle for me was move order. Since you clearly want a mate with the 2 rooks you need to capture the bishop with the knight. So why not do that first? I haven't figured this out yet, but my point is that knee-jerk Q sac solving the puzzle doesn't exhaust the interesting questions posed by the puzzle.
olderguy
04-Jul-23, 10:58

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Move order
If you start with the capture of the bishop with the knight, the knight can be captured by the rook at f4 which creates a situation that can be defended against the move ... Rxg2 and the game goes on past 4 moves.
mistercharlie
04-Jul-23, 11:33

Comment deleted on 04-Jul-23, 11:36
schizoidman
04-Jul-23, 14:34

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mistercharlie - older guy
True, you must sacrifice the queen first. But after gh the second move can be nxf3. If white takes the knight, you follow with the 2 rook checks on g1 and g2. If white tries to defend the first rank with rook or queen instead of taking the knight, you check on g1 anyway, sacrificing the first rook and follow it with the second rook giving mate.
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