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 Playing higher rated player's Oh dear I include myself in this 😉 I think a good way to learn is to feel how they come about with the end game , We probably annoy them in tourneys and ladders but they have so much to teach Neil |
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One possible reason In other words, "I want to let you know that I am smart enough to see that you will win this game, and the best way I can convey that message to you is by resigning." Maybe, instead, we should consider sending a chat message to the higher ranked opponent saying something like "I believe you have me. Would you mind playing further so I can possibly learn a few things". |
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@fsud I've got it / had it on my profile but many won't read it I've actually been quite lucky over the years , I'm active on boards etc. That I do get challenges and help🙆 And advice , but in some games I've played pretty poor and carried on when I'm down on points , but carried on till the # is obvious, what can I say 😉 |
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deeper_insight 18-Feb-18, 18:02 |
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Thank you. Thank you for the professional analysis. I feel like I should now get off the couch and make my next appointment. Frank |
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deeper_insight 18-Feb-18, 19:31 |
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Excellent TA 😉 (lol) I hope you don't mind but I took a look @ what I thought was an excellent game you played v gakko It is how. Try to play , obviously we are on diff. Levels , were you get a feel for the game ,it had disguise everything and against another top player , Not the stuff you read in a book but natural ability , it was so fast I have not enjoyed a game on GK for so long Much appreciated Neil (amacivn) |
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deeper_insight 19-Feb-18, 12:46 |
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deeper_insight 19-Feb-18, 13:16 |
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amacivn 19-Feb-18, 15:48 |
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resign? what's that? In a game where my opponent has withered my pieces down by outsmarting me, I tend to play on till I'm about more that 4 pawns down, and even then, may play on depending on the game, on my opponent and outside chess commitments at the time. I feel my opponent deserves to checkmate for starts and will play to the dying end, sometimes even after declaring I'm beat. I guess I justify this by the fact that I'm a bit of a fast mover, making many moves in a very short time, so my opponent would at least bare with me. Besides, there is no rule that says when one must resign, or is there? I haven't had anyone say " Resign!" yet, I guess, and if I do, I might play on just for the fun of it. Besides, the fact that my opponent might get angry that I haven't resigned might so frustrate them that they make a booboo and I win. I do afterall need all the help I can get. I can't wait for the game I get to play on with only my pawn left on the board though! Checkmate that!! |
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evader23 21-Feb-18, 21:05 |
side note on this subject |
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deeper_insight 22-Feb-18, 06:11 |
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Premature Resignation One of my team mates was in a game recently, many points behind, when she suddenly checkmated her opponent. I love that! |
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amacivn 01-Mar-18, 10:28 |
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GK Addresses Rating Manipulation Does anyone remember what all this was, and when it occurred? |
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deeper_insight 01-Mar-18, 17:07 |
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deeper_insight 01-Mar-18, 17:30 |
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deeper_insight 01-Mar-18, 17:35 |
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Why do players resign? From a chess perspective, if the object is to win as many games as possible (or at least to lose as few games as possible) it makes no sense whatsoever to resign. After all, why not give your opponent one more chance to make a blunder even if mate is imminent? This argument makes sense in a vacuum. If playing a chess game cost nothing, why wouldn't you see it out to see if you can snatch victory (or at least stalemate) from the jaws of defeat? Because chess does cost something. Even if you are playing for free, with no rewards on the line for the game, chess costs some amount of energy and time. Now, different players will value both of those differently, as is their right. Players resign when they determine that the energy and time they are putting into a game aren't worth the enjoyment they are receiving from the game. Once again, it is up to each individual player. I believe economists call this "utility." If the utility (pleasure) you get from a game is less than the cost in energy and time you are committing to the game, you're better off resigning. If the opposite is true, keep playing! Only you get to make that call. |
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deeper_insight 02-Mar-18, 06:34 |
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Ihate to say it Plus it must be virtually impossible to prove , I can site examples , but , I'm sure the person involved could explain it , away, I'm not going to name names but I was beaten , thrashed against an opponent rated lower than me in a team game , I didn't check his stats as I usually would before moving ,but suspicious I checked after , now this story. Could be genuine I don't know , but manipulation could be done this way On checking up the player had only finished a few games , but had tmed out in the first 7 odd games , so started off with a very low rating , I looked @ these games and they were all from a winning position ! So I then looked @ all the games played and he has won every game he has played , I checked the computer analysis mode and was not suprised to see that in one game he played over 20 moves on the run perfectly, when rated @150 pts below my buddy , a perfect game maybe ? A natural picking up the game maybe it's just that the 7 or so moves make me wonder , They could of been genuine Timeouts and I would not think twice if a player like TA started out like that but I gaurantee he would be playing or challenging stronger player's as he got used to the site My buddy has asked him about his chess history and he won't talk and went on vacation , as yet not returned But as I say this is not proof and could be real |
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deeper_insight 02-Mar-18, 13:13 |
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With my explanation, I only attempt to explain why regular actors resign, in respects to the original question. And, in short, it is because they gain more "utility" from starting a new game than they do from continuing a lost one. That is their right. I don't attempt to explain why bad actors resign. I don't really care how bad actors behave, because I don't think I've encountered a single one during my tenure on Gameknot.com, going back at least 12 years. No doubt they exist, but I can't prove that I've encountered one. Look, my statement isn't mere "Philosophie." It's sound economic theory that people act in a way that gives them the most utility from their decisions. By utility, one means maximum enjoyment for resources invested. And the most important resource for every human is time. Chess requires time. Some players get more utility from playing games out to the end. Some get more utility from resigning an obviously lost position and starting a new game. Once again, their right to decide. Even the bad actors get their resign because it gives them utility. |
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deeper_insight 06-Mar-18, 13:28 |
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deeper_insight 06-Mar-18, 13:35 |
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deeper_insight 06-Mar-18, 13:39 |
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deeper_insight 06-Mar-18, 13:42 |
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yokenster 20-Oct-18, 18:53 |
Resignation |
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