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euro_pop_legend
05-Mar-21, 03:59

Ignore list question
I am aware that someone I may place on my ignore list cannot message me or challenge me in a future game.But what about a player I place on an ignore list DURING an ongoing game I am playing with them.Can they still send any kind of message to me with that board chat messaging option?That is not the same as sending a message to my GK inbox and the game has already started.And if they cannot comment during the game,will a message appear that they are being ignored?I know that message appears during an attempt to challenge someone if they are being ignored,but what about an ongoing game chat with an ignore option being activated?
bumvinnik
05-Mar-21, 16:10

Interesting
Interesting to know the comments that caused you to ignore someone at your level of chess.
Usually good players are respectful 🤔
euro_pop_legend
05-Mar-21, 16:47

I am very respectful,others are not.
euro_pop_legend
05-Mar-21, 16:57

However,it goes beyond that.Sometimes bad remarks come from those who try and force game board conversation if you do not respond,even when you respond politely and say no thanks.
That is why the blitz board on GK has a chat removal option.but not sure if that can work on the regular game board with an ongoing game and the opponent is placed on ignore later on in the game.Just asking,not sure.
Gameknot.com
05-Mar-21, 18:03

Once you place someone on your ignore list, you will not see any of their chat messages in any of the games you have in progress, and any chat messages you sent them previously will be automatically erased. They will not be informed that you are ignoring them, unless they try to challenge you to another game.
euro_pop_legend
05-Mar-21, 18:09

Thanks GK,just checking.
jxrrh99
20-Feb-24, 10:41

ignore list
remove from ignore list
euro_pop_legend
20-Feb-24, 16:04

Deleted by euro_pop_legend on 11-Oct-24, 12:11.
amacivn
01-Mar-24, 02:53

I have a fairly small ignore list , membership is pretty hard to get in ! I'm honest half the players may not even be around anymore !

The main problem I have with this option is that a player can still message or reply to you through club forums ! Which could be the very reason I have someone on it in the first place ....ouch !
euro_pop_legend
01-Mar-24, 04:22

Deleted by euro_pop_legend on 01-Mar-24, 04:38.
euro_pop_legend
01-Mar-24, 04:38

amacivn
Yes.
You seem to be in somewhat the same boat as me.
I have been on GK actually since 2005,just with a few short lapses with closing my account and opening a new one and have seen it all.

I have now 4 placed on ignore simply because of their "trolling"and following me into the general GK forums with unrelated subjects and trying to stir up issues with me on perhaps a past club issue or other things.One was placed on ignore years ago and I forgot about him.Then he tried to PM me again and came back to the forums to announce my PM of him.Again,against the rules and a form of trolling.Again,ignore lists do not work in these forums,so I actually do not appear here nearly as much as I would like to.Then,I might be forced to engage them and the fire just spreads.

I have another troll who I call the "shadow"who has come into the forums quite often to denounce my unfair reasons of throwing out someone in my past club or not allowing some members in.In another case,someone who I will not name actually set up another account with a different computer,just to circumvent my ignore of him and send me a nasty PM!!
Ahhh....but he was smart.He denied being the orignal member on ignore and claimed he was someone else.But i know it was him,the way he wrote and the way he then disappeared with his other account at the same time and both have been inactive exactly the same amount of months...5 months in total.In addition,that bogus account of him was created at the very same moment I was having an argument with him regarding a forum related issue.The he "merged back"at the same original post as a now new member on GK and remained silent,enticing me to engage him in the forums!!! They think they are "smart"but I am MUCH smarter!! Games an more games,but they always lose against me in the end.

So,I cannot be fooled.That nasty PM of me was lucky that I did not report him.I have had 3 members lose their account or messaging privileges suspended after I reported them.But it takes 2 or 3 complaints from others as a support to permit GK to do any action against them beyond a warning.

Again,my judgement as a founder of my past club is not an issue to be thrown in my face in the general GK forums.But it flashes back to me with the sender thinking that they are scolding me...when in fact it is they that are scolding themselves as well as risking GK rule breaking and losing their PM as well as forum posting right here.

Also,when ones rating is much higher like mine,psychologically to them I am an easier mark to throw darts at.But that ok.I just continue to use my ignore and limit my forum appearances.
So....if the "shadow"appears after this post,you can begin to understand why I have them on
my ignore in the first place! I have better things to do than scold adults with the minds of a child and not even one tenth my experience with chess sites and the USCF since the 1980's.

Take care Neil.You are a good guy.Well,back to the beach!Its a nice 27C in St Barts later today.

Joe
amacivn
01-Mar-24, 07:12

27C in St Barts .... it's 7C in the UK .... I know we're I'd rather be .... St Barts !!! On a beach !

Your 100% right about 'GK trolls' .... we have a Team Captain on this site , who should know better ....she likes nothing better than constantly sending me idiotic messages then puts me right back on ignore giving me no time to respond

Cheers TA have a cocktail for me later

eightpointroll
27-Aug-24, 07:40

silly moves
after opening 1. e4 my opponent replied ...f5
I was a little taken aback but played 2. exf5
when he replied Kf7 I cancelled the game and ignored him.
amacivn
27-Aug-24, 13:32

eightpointroll
I had to look it up , it's an actual opening called 'The Fred' or some such nonsense

Live an learn ...sigh
luzhin657
31-Aug-24, 15:21

I would never be insulted by an opponents dubious played moves, all are worth the challenge!!?
I just read the message about an opponents...f5 followed by ...Kf7 I would ever be insulted, or cancel a game, take up the challenge and put such play in the Xfles take it with pinch of salt and play tge best moves you can!!
euro_pop_legend
31-Aug-24, 16:49

I rarely come into the forums anymore for several reasons....
However,I would "roll out the red carpet"with anyone at any rating if they did a "Fred"on me.
I would almost assuredly crush them to a Quark and love to take their points away.I would never block a player that makes weak moves...especially in the opening.The Fred can many times transpose into other openings from the Q Fianchetto Defence to the Nimzowitsch Defence.

But with the following formula of success,that even GK's opening book fails to show....let me show you how to "bake the cake" as white:

1. e4,f5
2. exf5,Kf7
3. Qh5+!,g6
4. fxg6+,Kg7
5. gxh7,Rxh7
6.Qf3

Now as you can see below in the diagram,white has a 2 pawn advantage already by the end of move 5 and the strong initiative.Black has an exposed King on a semi open file from early on.Black cannot Castle anymore except artificial castling in a few moves,but then he would lose tempo and bury himself even deeper.White can still castle on either side and his white Bishop is not hemmed in likes blacks Bishops are.In the higher rating levels this game is already lost by black by move # 5. ANY variation to the above moves by black would only bury him down another 10,000 feet below the Earths surface.The moves above are actually the best moves for black and even that is the equivalent of commiting suicide.The exception of course,would be extremely weak play on whites part,say,a 300-1000 rated player.You will never see a "fred"by black in any expert level of play or higher,unless unrated.If it exists on GK with a strong black player from 2000 or above...I would be very surprised,for the "Fred" is suicide.But those who like to bury themselves alive in front of me with a "Fred"only makes me have another
margarita and smile!

Position after White's 6th move:



So,I would never cancel a game when someone gives me a "gift"like the Fred.
Nor,would I place him on ignore,unless he acts like an idiot in the messaging
areas.

TA

euro_pop_legend
31-Aug-24, 18:05

Above I said ANY variation to the above moves by black would only bury him...
I meant to say more precisely....any altered moves by black AFTER whites 3.Qh5+ would only make it worse for black 10 fold based upon eightpointtroll's game.It is assumed that the game is a Fred....so black must play 1....f5 to be a Fred.But black already mashed up his game with 2....Kf7. Well,Freddy Krueger against TA or the Pop Queen would send Freddy down to the lava pit in the center of the Earth.All I need is a 3 or 4 "freds" played as black against me and I will reach 2500 again like I was in the past.
eightpointroll
01-Sep-24, 04:53

Yes, I know it gives me an advantage.
But not if he starts cheating after playing this stupid opening.
euro_pop_legend
01-Sep-24, 06:23

Deleted by euro_pop_legend on 01-Sep-24, 06:36.
euro_pop_legend
01-Sep-24, 06:36

Deleted by euro_pop_legend on 01-Sep-24, 06:39.
euro_pop_legend
01-Sep-24, 06:39

Ahhhh...but according to you,you canceled the game and ignored him.So,you never could even remotely "know"if he was or would cheat.Playing "stupid"does not mean cheating.In fact,statistically playing much better AFTER the opening relative to ones rating,especially in the lower ranges could mean cheating,so it is the opposite of YOUR logic.Playing weak,as in the "fred"almost certainly means that he was NOT about to cheat.Perhaps you cannot accept that some players want to move out of book more quicky and do not follw the "mindset"standards you are use to.And with my "recipe"above and with the "almost"forced moved with black needing to play 3....g6 or get clobbered worse, even "cheating"beyond move #3(which I seriously doubt he was going to do)would have done little,especially with you pawns and space advantage.You 1800+guys have MUCH to learn.Have a nice day.

And by the way,I have saced my Queen in the opening many times by move #3 as many know(in blitz)to prove a point like here.Dumb,but effective and as a "lesson"to the unwary.
Now playing"stupid"by move #3 does not mean cheating:

[Date "2017.01.06"]
[Round "-"]5 min,zero increment
[White "tactical-abyss"]2376
[Black "orlin"]1870
[Result "1-0"]

1. e4 d5 2. Qh5 Nf6 3. Qxf7+ Kxf7 4. e5 Ng4 5. Nf3 Bf5 6. h3 Nxf2 7. Kxf2 e6 8. d4 c5 9. Bd3 Bxd3 10. cxd3 Nc6 11. Rf1 Be7 12. Nc3 Rf8 13. Kg1 Kg8 14. Ne2 cxd4 15. Nf4 Qd7 16. Bd2 g5 17. Ne2 h6 18. Rac1 a6 19. Nexd4 Nxd4 20. Nxd4 Rxf1+ 21. Kxf1 Rc8 22. Rxc8+ Qxc8 23. Bc3 Bc5 24. Nf3 b5 25. Ke2 Kf7 26. Kd1 b4 27. Bd2 Kg6 28. g4 a5 29. h4 Qf8 30. Ke2 gxh4 31. Nxh4+ Kh7 32. Nf3 Qg7 33. g5 h5 34. b3 Qg6 35. Nh4 Qf7 36. g6+
euro_pop_legend
01-Sep-24, 06:44

Deleted by euro_pop_legend on 01-Sep-24, 07:03.
euro_pop_legend
01-Sep-24, 07:03

Another dumb weak move and win for me with a Q sac...
[Event "GameKnot Blitz"]
[Date "2017.01.22"]
[Round "-"]5 min,zero increment
[White "mz54"]1896
[Black "tactical-abyss"]2367
[Result "0-1"] Mate in 26 moves,Q sac

1. e4 e6 2. d4 Qh4 3. Nc3 Qxf2+ 4. Kxf2 c6 5. Nf3 b5 6. d5 b4 7. Nb1 Nf6 8. dxe6 Bc5+ 9. Nd4 Nxe4+ 10. Ke3 Nf6 11. exf7+ Kxf7 12. c3 Re8+ 13. Kf3 d5 14. Bd3 Bg4+ 15. Kg3 Bd6+ 16. Kf2 Bxd1 17. Rxd1 Ng4+ 18. Kg1 bxc3 19. Nxc3 Bxh2+ 20. Kh1 Be5 21. Bxh7 Nf2+ 22. Kg1 Nxd1 23. Bg5 Bxd4+ 24. Kh1 Rh8 25. Rxd1 Rxh7+ 26. Bh4 Rxh4# 0-1
euro_pop_legend
01-Sep-24, 07:13

Now...one may comment that it was simply a stronger player defeating a weaker rated player.But see,even that logic way of thinking is flawed.Why?I just gave away my Queen in the opening and gave my "weaker"opponent a serious advantage and a handicap for me,which should MORE than compensate for my higher rating strength.Many players are simply not attuned to chess theory,proper development,central control and much more.So,even when some players have more think time,they STILL make the same mistakes in longer time controls and stil lose and lose again.
euro_pop_legend
01-Sep-24, 07:45

Again,as to the "fred"....
It is one of the weakest opening in chess history.But one cannot "tell"if the player using a "fred"was going to cheat with this unusual opening.The only way to tell(but not with all certainty)is to go into his past game history on GK and look for the "Fred"opening and see if he has won many games with it!I highly suspect that whoever it was... has NO history of winning with the Fred opening,unless perhaps it was against some beginner.But again,at your 1800+rating and a serious advantage in the first few moves,I would have continued as suggested above to crush your opponent.Its funny,but sometimes I have opened with 1.a3 or even a Sodium Attack...1.Na3 and then 2.Nh3 and have players cancel because they think that something must be "up"or I am about to cheat! Ha ha.....pure paranoia on THEIR part!

Best,
TA
euro_pop_legend
01-Sep-24, 08:09

Another educated guess:
I have no idea of your opponents rating that made the Fred opening with 1.....f5.
However,it IS possible that he "meant" 1.....d5 which is a common response to 1.e4 and is more played by players south of 1800 in rating.Some players simply look at the board the wrong way or feel that an f5 move may have the same punch as 1....d5.It could have been an opening tactical error on your opponents part.....but FAR from a cheating scenario!Sometimes your opponent will look at the board from whites side by flipping the board around.Then they may make the f5 mistake,instead of 1....d5.I have seen that happen before!Not saying for sure,but if it was me and knowing that he may have blundered the opening.....I would have taken immediate advantage of that.

myrydin
01-Sep-24, 12:29

Just my opinion, but cancelling games and ignoring an opponent just because they played what you think are “silly moves” seems awfully snobbish to me. It’s possible the opponent has a weird sense of humour, but equally possible they think they may have innovative counter play. Players are called up on to prove the win. Well, prove it.
euro_pop_legend
01-Sep-24, 14:05

Deleted by euro_pop_legend on 01-Sep-24, 14:19.
euro_pop_legend
01-Sep-24, 14:18

Thanks myrydin...
You are very wise,indeed.From your 2000+strength also comes your wisdom.
eightpointtroll can,of course,do as he please's....but as I hinted above,his logic is highly flawed.
I even gave him a "recipe"of success(above)for any future encounters with the "fred".Its almost always guaranteed to win,since the advantage for white is right out of the shute.But many simply ignore my wisdom and go on through life mainly staying at the same rating."Suspicions"will occassionally occur with the lesser rated player because "someone"is simply doing a move that was not expected.Well,thats life in CC chess.....get over it.I am just the opposite as probably you are.I would have JUMPED at the chance to play white against a weak Fred opening.Sometimes,even if a player IS cheating,it is STILL a learning experience for white to see black prove his superiority.In the case of the Fred,I have experience with it 10 years ago OTB and with two players....one was 2224 rated and another one was 2130.I beat both as white and at the time,my rating was 2315 at a USCF event.I had both sweating from move #3!Later,both told me that it was just experimental for them and they wanted to try a "come back"from behind.Makes sense to me,since i have done that all the time with many of my games in the past.I very seriously doubt that his opponent was going to cheat.For a cheater with a program will not play a weak opening response to 1.e4,but stick with strong lines.Even look at the GK opening database.Its out of book already(B00)after move #1! This simply sounds like a tactical error on his opponents part.But to now place his opponent on ignore due to a simple f5 move? Ha ha....no. But to each their own,I suppose.What is actually worse,is when the white player(whoever it may be) sends a message to the "fred"player of 1...f5 and then accuses him of even potential cheating.I can count that about 200 times happening on GK from reading the forums as well as in my own PM. Total retardation,indeed.

Thanks again myrydin

TA
resol_bojateg
18-Oct-24, 12:19

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