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 GameKnot vs Chess.com... i was wondering if there were people who use both (as i do) ... ... i basically use this site for correspondence chess (typically mini tournaments and individual games) which is 95% of my chess. I'll do the daily puzzles on both (not religiously). ... I use the other site for the 10min games (I haven't tried "gameknot Live Chess" and will actually post a different subject on that as i'd like to understand it better) and because it's is more widely used (more members) so i like to keep an account to play people i know if they fancy a game. I've only every really paid for this site. - can you comment on your use of other chess websites. |
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yon_cassius 26-Jun-23, 14:07 |
It's been a while since I've been on Chess.com... it has good things about it, some of which GK doesn't have. GK has the Ladders, and the Chess League... and a bunch of players whom I play against regularly. I guess the most important part is "players whom I play against regularly". One of the negative points of Chess.com is (or at least was...when I was playing there) is they keep changing things. It's nice that they want to improve the site... but all the constant change often impacts (or impacted) the functionality of the site. It's nice to have new features, and there are features I'd like to have at GK, but... having the site just work is more important. |
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However,for those who need a more professional layout and advanced options for blitz,GK is not the place to be.But then GK was never meant to be for the blitz pro's.Its best kept that way,anyway for a number of reasons.I was a member of chess.com,but not anymore.Not playing as much chess as I once was. |
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If you want a more club feel, play on gameknot |
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Conditional Moves The last time I played on chess.com you could have only two conditionals, and I’m not sure how deep. The best thing about chess.com is the domain name. |
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LOL Lichess ... not fan of the interface, but do like the study/training/practice section (easy to practice opposition etc, even if i never get it right) ... |
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I would like to thank the management of Gameknot for making this a site that I enjoy. Keep up the good work, guys! |
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luzhin657 23-Aug-24, 16:41 |
Gameknot v Chess.com - Gameknot better by Miles!! |
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euro_pop_legend 11-Jan-25, 18:37 |
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euro_pop_legend 11-Jan-25, 18:45 |
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euro_pop_legend 11-Jan-25, 19:01 |
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Just some FYI test results.... I disagree.I personally tested the full length of conditional move strings more than once. I did this by personally inputing a long number of open book lines from one of my personal opening databases.Many times,a Ruy Lopez game(just one example) can and will remain "in book"for over 40 moves due to its exaustive and in depth game analysis with millions of games over the decades.On several occassions,I then went ahead and as white or black inputted as many conditional moves from move #1 as I could.My one opening book has sometimes up to move #55 a preselect volume of opening move choices.However,when doing that,the GK system only allowed 27 or 28 conditional moves to be placed to my opponent.I actually forget the exact #,but I think it was 28 moves max. and definitely less than 30 moves.That may seem like a lot,but in a Ruy game,it really is not that much.You can place as many conditional moves as you want.....50 if you want!BUT when you try and send them,not all 50 will be sent.Yes,there is a limit. Why did I do this?As a test as well as to save some time for both of us on the higher rating level of play.So yes,there are limits,even if separate move strings can be activated.The limits are fine and acceptable to me 100%,I have no qualms or issues with this.But just setting the record straight and giving others my test results.Now,it is possible that the 28 max number may have changed since last I checked(about 2 years ago)but I doubt it,since there has been very little upgrades on GK the last 2 years.One day,I will check again,but I am not playing any games right now and anyone else can try and input the test for themselves.I would love to hear from anyone who could input one string longer than 28 and ALL 29 or more moves were ACCEPTED and SENT to their opponent!But if I do hear this,I will confirm it by checking your results for myself,for just saying you got more than 28 is not confirmation until I check those results for myself.Keep in mind one thing:You can input 50 moves for example,but when you try and complete the entry of those moves and attempt to send them to your opponent,the GK system will cut that 50 down to 28(for example).So,just placing the moves is not the same as how many of those placed will be accepted by the system.Again,these test results have no meaning to most players on GK.But to some others on the 2400-2700 levels it does indeed have meaning.Let me add,that I am not suggesting that my opponent would have accepted all 28 moves,but the process could be started over again from say,move #6 and extend out for 28 moves again.But then,I have had one case where all 28 moves were accepted,but I did try and load 30(prior) and the GK system did not allow it. TA |
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28 Moves Ten moves means you have to program responses three times to reach the current limit. So 28 is awesome, when chess.com lets you program one. |
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Expansion of conditional moves... "if moves"as I call them from the old days,is relative to the users personal opening database.Some players like myself have a much longer and deeper opening database which allows a much longer string to be inputted than others care to do.I have several opening databases and none of them are connected to GK's opening database which is inferior,at least in my eyes.I have two databases which are not free to download and another one which is a polyglot book and all get updated perpetually between 1 and 3 months. One other opening book has been custom designed by a GM friend of mine including my input,then my nephew burned it on to a disc and stick. So,I figure that I will input as much as 28 moves,it depends on the opening. Usually,my number is indeed less than 28,perhaps 10 to 12. For example,if I am playing either a Trompowski as white,Sokolsky opening or a Basman Defense as black and transpostion does not occur as many times it does not,then I know that loading a long string of conditional moves is just a waste of my time,for my opponent will maybe accept 4 or 5 conditionals out of a loaded 20.The reason is that many off beat openings and opening defenses will move "out of book"much quicker than others.But with many standard openings,my conditional input will be much higher.Most of my opponents also appreciate that.Of course,others on the lower rating levels do not want to play anyone who uses even one conditional move.Not to be rude,but I laugh at those kind of players. For conditional moves have been around for centuries,including to Roman scroll runners between dynasties.Sometimes I wait to input after move #3, so that my opponent cannot cancel the game if they hate conditional moves. For,I am not going to simply stop using them,no matter how much they hate conditionals.They may never play me again,but do I care?Answer: NO. You either love the conditionals or not,but with me,you WILL be showered with them like a snowstorm in Antarctica.Get over it and wake up and smell the coffee as I have always been quoted as saying. Interesting enough and getting back to the theme of this thread... I found it an interesting remark(somewhere on GK)that a player on chess.com was cast out or severely warned for using an opening database on that site in a game.Upon closer examination, I found that it was a LIVE game,not a regular corresp game and the player in question openingly admitted to using an opening database.If he would have only kept his mouth shut.... well,that is a different story! TA |
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euro_pop_legend 12-Jan-25, 06:08 |
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If that is true and I would have to confirm that,its sounds like utter ridiculousness to the power of a googolplex,no make that to the power of a Grant number. I will avoid chess.com like the bubonic plague and radioactive fallout. TA |
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I mentioned a grant number.I meant to say a Graham's number or possibly a Skewes' number. If you thought that a googolplex is that largest number,think again.I believe,from what I read somewhere that there are not enough atoms in the universe to reach a Graham number. So,in the symbolic context of going to chess.com,forget it. Years ago,I think I was a member there,but played one or two games and left.I did not like the interface and a host of other factors. Yes,many GM's are on or visit chess.com which does draw a big following,but what others do not know is that chess.com is also a big sales profiteer with software as well as kickbacks to the GM's from what I was told years ago by one GM at the Marshall Chess Club.So,its a big marketing business. So,I prefer the quieter and smaller chess community of GK. The only thing that bothers me on GK is the trolls,which also bothers others.Now,my answer to the troll(s)is a big fat "0". I used to respond in defense and a bit of anger,but found out that reponding only gets me and others in trouble. Best to write nothing back and just put in a complaint to GK.If any of you guys ever see me respond with nothing to a troll except..."😊",you instantly know that someone is trolling me in a negative and bagering way and I am openingly ignoring him.I think a smily face says it all with a much deeper,smart,symbolic lesson and deeper meaning.After several smily faces and no words,the troll will get the message and leave. TA |
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euro_pop_legend 14-Jan-25, 04:28 |
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Clarification for future readers.... Above,I mentioned my test limit on GK conditionals.Then a conversation with LS above mentioned about muiltiple move strings..."Ten moves means you have to program responses three times to reach the current limit. So 28 is awesome, when chess.com lets you program one." That is also not correct,at least not in the "way"of my test.Let me clarify my test results: My test involved NO multiple strings at all and I never use multiple conditional move strings,no need for me to do that.For others,yes,but not me. My test involved ONLY 1 string,no more.So,I was ABLE in input ALL 27 or 28 moves into ONE STRING of long moves and there was no need to separate the moves into multiple strings. If that means more than 28 moves with multiple strings,then so be it,but that is not the same,since another string would have to be a totally different set of different moves,which was NOT my goal in my test.If I am incorrect regarding a CONTINUATION of my 28 moves and then adding MORE than 28 moves into string #2 with the SAME exact move continuation...well even better!But I am not sure that would work. Not that this info is important to 98% of the players on GK,but there are others who might find this info facinating. So yes,on many occassions,I was clearly able to input a long string of Ruy Lopez moves... up to about 28,all at one time without the need to divide it up into multiple strings.Now, many times I do not do that but indeed go about 15 or 20 moves.Truthfully,I never used multiple strings on GK even 1 time.I never had use for that and separating my one long line goal of moves with other conditional moves might even confuse me.Its many times hard enough to have an opponent accept a long string,let alone another string which has totally different moves. So,for example,with my opening book,then about 5 of my own moves,was able to input in many games over the years as white in an example like this one,but only after I check a players past games that relates to the string beforehand: 1.e4,e5 2.Nf3,Nc6 3.Bb5,Nf6 4.0-0,Nxe4 5.Re1,Nd6 6.a4,Be7 7.Nc3,0-0 8.d4,exd4 9.Nd5,Re8 10.Bf4,b6 11.Nxd4,Nxd4 12.Qxd4,Bf8 13.Rxe8,Nxe8 14.Qe4,Bb7 15.Bd3,g6 16.Qxe8,Bxd5 17.Qxd8,Rxd8 18.Bxc7,Rc8 19.Be5,Bc4 20.Bxc4,Rxc4 21.c3,Re4 22.Bb8,Re2 23.Rb1,a6 24.Ba7,b5 25.axb5,axb5 26.Kf1,Rc2 27.Be3,f6 28.Ke1 Yes....all of the above moves into 1 string,not several strings!That game above has high equality and opens up the game very well.Many times,my opponent offers me a draw,even after move 28!!And that is good,if he is like 100 rating points above me. If you players have all kinds of multiple string experience you can tell me about it and even I can learn something!HOWEVER and as I said...I have moved ALL 27 or 28 moves down one long line of 1 string and the GK computer accepted it.I tried 29-30 several times and that did not work.I was always under the belief that another string would have to be not a continuation of moves,but a totally different set of conditional moves not related to the first string as a continuation.But if that is possible...great! My test point only involved one string,not several and as I said,I was able to input a nice 27 or 28 moves into one long line and without dividing anything up. |
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euro_pop_legend 14-Jan-25, 05:37 |
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to be made,that is ridiculous.Why even have any conditional moves on chess.com with only 1 legal conditional?That makes no sense at all.This is why I would need proof in paragraph writing from chess.com that clearly states only 1 contional move can be used.UNLESS LS MEANT that chess.com allows 1 move "string"and not just one move?Big difference!I will not waste my time even doing the research,since I was on chess.com years ago and did not like the format.I never heard that before(only 1 C move) and I have been a member of at least 14 chess sites dating back to the 1980's when floppy disks were still "the thing". If that is the case,I can see why many players stay away from that site. But,I am sure there are positive things to say about chess.com,otherwise there would not be about 102 million members on chess.com and 5 miilion on GK....but that is AI saying this,NOT me!I have not checked into the exact number of members vs the other.I see the figure 1,962,710 members on GK when I click on gameknot,but I am not sure if that is the exact total or something else.But either way,you can easily see a BIG difference between 102 million and 5 million.But that is what I like about GK! Smaller,just like an expensive diamond could have much more value than an expensive car,even a Ferrari.Its all how you look at it. |
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My test involved only 1 string,not several and I never seen some kind of "auto shift"to another string after inputing 28 moves or any moves leading up to #28.All one long line of moves,all together as a bundle in one string and not subdivided up into several strings.Multiple strings to me would not be my style anyway and I have never used that way on GK.Of course,this is a moot point to most on GK anyway.Those who hate conditional moves are now rolling their eyes with steam coming out of their head when I mention about 28 moves.But that is life in C.C.chess! Get over it.Once,on GK over 10 years ago,I had placed over 25 moves conditionally,including a mating sequence!I never thought that my opponent would take the bait.But he did! And I won the game with a mate(from move #1!)Yes....move #1! So,it was like I never even played and a hello and goodby!I wish I had that game,but it was a different account and different handle name for me.Somehow,if I can find it,I will post it. TA |
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Closed Accounts Were you Tactical_Abyss? Who was someone you played? It might be in their game list. |
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euro_pop_legend 18-Jan-25, 08:54 |
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Yes,GK vs "others" now.Times have changed. Always here to help,no matter what my handle name is. Right now,I am just concentrating more on older classic Pop music and not as much chess. A hobby and a life career of mine,many of you were unaware of.My new handle name is in honor and memory of a music star I have met personally with others.Across most of Europe where I lived for a few years she was the Pop Queen to millions,but underrated in the USA.Her tunes are not for everyone,but in Europe the screams and claps for her never ended.She perpetually appeared on MTV in the 1980's/1990's and right alongside of all the best of the best Pop stars from the USA.But,during the Madonna and Michael Jackson reign of the 1980's in the USA,not as many USA Pop fans were paying attention to her.In Europe,however,that was a totally different story,indeed. Many of you know how much I helped the forums out for years and through my club a while back.My old club,as far as I believe,had much more chess wisdom in it than all the other clubs combined.No brag,just fact.But closed now in my older age.As baddeeds knows,I kept the politics and religion out of the old club which many of you know does indeed cause friction and more.Acceptable to some,but not in my club.But that is old news. However,there are "forces"these days that try and undermine my wisdom,whether it be chess or classic Pop music.No one in this thread at all.However,other threads have led me to deflect away from the forums and of course,stay away from one or two clubs on GK.Otherwise,friction and turmoil begins to appear and though my defense,I just end up getting in trouble.Thus,I will not confront the perpetrators anymore,just ignore them.Baddeeds is familar with many of them over the years,since he named many of them.But I could name another 4 who give GK a bad reputation in the eyes of others.In the last few months,my PM had 2 or 3 instigators with all kinds of crap.Sure,ignore,ignore,but that is besides the point and it should not occur in the first place.Again,today is far different than years ago on GK. At my older age,my newest wisdom,even though I like to continue helping others on GK is to steer clear of the trolls in the forums and others who initiate friction,for many posters are not here to learn chess or have a logical debate,but to stir up issues and problems.Not as much in these forums as in the clubs,but sometimes the "mess"carries over from the clubs and spills into the general GK forums.I wash my hands of it all. The forums are not like they were years ago with everyone from baronderkilt,agol,easy19,shamash and others.We were part of a TEAM that led GK to many wisdoms dating back to 2005,if not earlier.Perhaps a dying breed,replaced by,well,who knows. The good old days "aura"has seemed to vanish in many ways,shapes and forms. If you guys do not see me in the forums at all in a few months,perhaps you know why. Take care all and remember the good old days! Joe TA gameknot.com |
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I try in my own way and throw in a little gallows humor once in a while,while educating others. But,the moment some troll or troublemaker comes marching in any forum thread,you will now see no words but only a....😤 or perhaps a...😕.There is a big difference between trouble and debate.Remember those emoj,for when you see them,you know why I placed them there with the whole story behind the "symbol",so no words are necessary and I will leave again to perhaps come back another day.Perhaps those "types"you can help chase away for me and I will come back sooner in honor of the help.Of course,only a few know what I am even writing about and scratching their head wondering what I am even saying! Ha ha! But those who REALLY know me...understand. Good chess to all.I am now reading the Chess Life Magazine I just received today.The cover page states: "At age 18,Gukesh goes the distance to become the 18th world champion". This link does not have all the games and annotation details in Singapore as in my magazine,but gives you an idea.I opted for the paper Chess Life and not the digital version,for a book or magazine has a much better feel to me. new.uschess.org Annotations by WGM Tatev Abrahamyan and Joel Benjamin.I met Joel at the Marshall Chess club in NYC a few decades ago during a seminar he presented.The Marshall frequently had a visiting GM that you could see on their calendar of upcoming events. I have no comments on the games,because I really do not follow the newest world championship games as I did in the past.I am sure that someone like archduke_piccolo would be the one to comment.I dealt more with deeper theory and subvariational move comments and he was more into annotations.Two different flavors of the same coffee.I have annotated many blitz games in the past,but that is a totally different world of play. TA |
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