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wowdesign 06-Jul-11, 04:22 |
 Create games with "Analyze the board" turned offI'd like to be able to create games without the ability to analyse the board. I think this is not a help but a hindrance. My worry is some people spend their whole 3 days anylising what's the best move to make. If that person then gets used to playing like that they won't be able to play live in front of someone. I've used it before, but would prefer not to have it there. If I choose not to use it, then I can't guarantee my opponent won't still be using it, having the advantage. As a web designer myself, a simple tick box to turn off "Analyse the board" would be all that's needed. Then when a player starts a new game people can see what games have it disabled and they can choose to play that type or not. Please please please add this feature. Could be a reason to sign up to a membership, as you could make it that only members can create non-analyse the board games Kindest regards Glynn |
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maca 06-Jul-11, 13:28 |
Regards, MaCa. |
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baronderkilt 06-Jul-11, 16:37 |
wowdesign However, for insuring that an opponent plays otb style, it fails to the fact that they can easily set up their board at home or have the game in a separate means of electronic retention such as Chess Base; and so still resort to "moving the pieces" rather than purely mental analyses. For that reason I believe that simply agreeing with an opponent to do it that way, on your honors, is as good as it gets. Tho probably pretty effective since players that Are honorable; aor wish to hone their analysis skills, will adhere to it. And having the temptation there, builds character |
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kingdawar 06-Jul-11, 17:16 |
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wowdesign 07-Jul-11, 00:27 |
@Maca and kingdawar: Sounds like you don't like the idea of Non-analysis games. Is that because you over use it yourselves LOL Only joking. As I say, people can choose to accept non-analysis games or not, you don't have to play them. Yes, like baronderkilt said, someone may set up a physical game at home to analyse it, but I'm sure some might not even have a board which is why they are on here. I have a board, but my wife doesn't play. There will be newbies to chess using the site and they will get addicted to using analysis, which will then mean they will struggle playing OTB chess. What's wrong with how we used to learn how to play... by getting beaten by better players and learning the hard way. Because of the point system, no one wants to lose their high points, so love the fact they can analyse the game. Which is why some people wouldn't like non-analysis games as the point system is blinkering them from actually enjoying playing cheese for fun! Just a thought people, just a thought |
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baronderkilt 07-Jul-11, 12:35 |
wowdesign / HEY ... <"Yes, like baronderkilt said, someone may set up a physical game at home to analyse it, but I'm sure some might not even have a board which is why they are on here."> Embarrassing, but I confess. I would have to dig thru my closet of 'One-Pawn-Gone' sets, if hoping to find a physical set & board. If Lucky, I find The Last Tournament Set. Otherwise, have to get by on a designer model!? Lovely to behold, but difficult for an old Staunton-Set mind to wrap around for any real Chessing. (Even tho it came with a shuffle-the-pieces-around feature built right into it. Really, I had no choice. It did not offer me a Check-Box-Option either ! Grrrr ) HEY-2 ... Does this mean, I Have become a "Computer Geek" now ??! [ ... as opposed to a "Computer Whiz", which I understand would also require me to KNOW something about computers; not just be a newly stranded resident of Cyberia ] Can my wife still get Visiting privileges, if I'm only Geeked, and not Whizzed !!? I may need an E-lawyer to know what I've gotten into !? YEOW ~ ! . . . Barondcaughtredhanded |
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tactical_abyss 07-Jul-11, 13:39 |
I have a chess room designed for ONLY that,including all my boards and my personal chess library of books,DVD's,awards,trophys,ect ect. Right now,I am playing 6 games on GK.I have exactly 6 boards set up and can only analyze off of the real McCoy.My brain simply after 40 years of board play,will never get totally comfortable at looking at a 2D screen as opposed to a real Staunton board.Even those so called 3D computer screen boards,don't fool me! My notes are also in descriptive notation,not algebraic. I prefer MCO-12 over MCO-15!Why?Descriptive,thats why. So give me a big pot of coffee a couple of boards that I can walk around on both sides and see whats going on at a true view,not some flat pancake view,and i'm happy. TA |
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tactical_abyss 07-Jul-11, 15:38 |
Any kind of "geek"atleast in NYC is someone that is into the high tech stuff,so woodpushers are never geeks....although one may look like one!(You know,the white tape on the bridge of the nose between the thick black rimmed glasses!)Now,hippys,yippies,beatniks...well,I probably fall into that catagory somewhere!You know...bongo drums and poetry!The only geek stuff I get into on GK is the blitz,but I still prefer OTB blitz,especially at Washington Sq Park. One day there will be a three dimentional board projected by lasers into the middle of your living roon without any kind of TV or computer screen.Then you touch the laser beam to move the piece.When that happens(and it will)...we will all be geeks! |
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2-D Analysis I can only say that I use it on occasion. I don't think it makes my game weaker, but stronger. I think it all depends on how you use it and why you use it. Myself, I just play to have something to do while I'm waiting for other internet pages to load. I find as I get older my patience wears thin and my wee noggin needs other things to do. I will say that having the option certainly wouldn't hurt. |
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tactical_abyss 08-Jul-11, 11:21 |
I have nothing against the analyze board option since it is fairly useless to me...on the higher rating levels!I give the analysis board about a 2000-2100 depth rating,so it really does not even alalyze "deep enough"to do me any good!Atleast i'm being honest!But you guys enjoy! TA |
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baronderkilt 09-Jul-11, 07:28 |
Ditto T/A ... That's how I feel about it too, and got some concrete evidence the first few months here; to find that using the graphic boards alone I was suddenly missing "B-N5" moves while analyzing (and it cost me in my game with coyotefan). My reasoning was due to the "up and down" nature of such moves; and to solve it I spent several months afterward doing a "what happens if B-N5" review every move i made. lol. But eventually it sank in. A bit weird too since in otb my "oversight" moves that cost me most over the years were Diagonal Checks by Q or B That came across one wing to the other, thru an open center line. For that I had to take the advice of FM Blankenau, Trainer Extraordinaire, "Always Check for Check". Although for me it goes, "Always check for check except when really tired and forget to, even tho it just cost me the game" }8-( Such is life. But I still find, for a tough game or position from GK ... if I do transfere it to a Real Board and set then my analysis becomes stronger, longer and faster. Often seeing some new idea. Perhaps its as you said, and the years of playing with real equipment make the difference. And with that thought I am asking in a new thread if anyone analyzes better with graphic boards. In the Chess Forum. |
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tactical_abyss 09-Jul-11, 07:55 |
Baron, The brain and eyes can be trained to do just as well on the screen.Yet alot of those guys,I believe,are missing the true spirit and real life of the true "art"of the game in its raw form.Face to face,its part of the fun,psychology,social and quicker learning experience that will never be = in corresp play.At my club,I have played countless corresp players in the 2200+range that have no OTB rating.Not that this is necessary...but they also have little experience in OTB play.So many of them play like an 1800-1900 player when facing me at the real board....because their brain seems to misinterpret,misalign and simply not "see"the moves on both sides as well as their brain has trained them in corresp.play.In addition,ask many of the newer players how many books they have read on chess....and its minimal alot of times.So I ask,well how many DVD's on chess have you looked at or collected?Many of them say...."too much $$ and too boring"!Well,then TA can't help you there!I guess i'll have to continue to take your pieces off the board in a game like a wind tunnel at a reverse 10,000 PSI! Ha,ha! TA |
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maca 10-Jul-11, 02:06 |
I know some people who feel the same, and some other people who have the opposite experience. I only play OTB very rarely these days, but when I do, I'm prone to dropping pieces, making stupid mistakes, etc... There are two factors there that make the difference: the chess set is the first one, and the second is the time control. Of course I do better in OTB with longer time controls. Regards, MaCa. |
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tactical_abyss 10-Jul-11, 05:35 |
Yes,like I mentioned above,it basically is a matter of selection of which you prefer....the board or the screen and which you do better at.You do fall into the catagory as baron and myself have mentioned however.It does seem to fall into a "pattern" many,many times that the much younger players(your only 24)who have primarily been brought up with computers and computers are a big hobbie of yours,as you mentioned on your profile.....seem to prefer the screen over the board. On the other hand,those who HAVE NOT been brought up with computers(they did not exist for any kind of personal use when I was in my teens to mid 20's)and there was no internet and it was during the Fisher era which is way before your time......do seem to have a much higher percentage of either doing better or atleast preferring the OTB play,even if they do not do as well as on the screen!It was a big thing back in the 1960's and especially during the 1972 thru 1975 Fischer era to play OTB...it was more popular than the superbowl during that cold war time!Thus you have an older generation that has a different viewpoint on the subject. I find it to be the opposite...that is I can actually see the pieces better on a big 3D board and with the correct weighted set(like a Staunton set)pieces rarely get knocked over,unless its a superfast blitz game,but that happens to even the GM's! Have you ever played with an expensive Staunton set MaCa?Thats all I use at the club and man,does it make a difference with stability! TA |
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maca 10-Jul-11, 07:53 |
Regards, MaCa. |
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tactical_abyss 10-Jul-11, 08:09 |
Hmmmm...maybe thats a good thing come to think about it!I'll have to use that in one of my OTB Psy ploys....I just have to make sure the slope's are in the right position so that my opponents pieces slide on the wrong square or slide off the board!Ha,ha!I'll coil one up soooo tight the night before that it looks tighter than one of those sour sugar straws! But seriously,with the right equip,club,socializing,fun,occassional $$ wins and more,i've changed the minds of countless corresp players...atleast in NYC!But truthfully,that would be next to impossible on this site obviously!Why?Its a corresp site so I am in the extreme minority with my old fashioned views!!!!Ha! TA |
