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clashofpawns 23-Mar-19, 13:15 |
 GK Tournament suggestionGroups are fundamentally flawed as the strongest player can be knocked out of the tournament when two weaker players conspire it to be so. I have had this happen in two tournaments so far. Example: Group contains 2500, 2400, 2300, 2200 2300 times out against everyone except the 2500. Now the 2400 has four points plus the likely two draws against 2500. The 2300 fights furiously to get his draws against the 2500. How is this fair? |
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yon_cassius 24-Mar-19, 00:37 |
While the scenario you suggest is possible, it seems more likely that the timeouts were accidental rather than deliberate. Still, regardless the cause, it is grating to have to fight and risk losing against an opponent while the other tournament members get some nice, free wins! |
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A player may accept a draw so he chooses who qualifies and goes through to the next round as he may not want to play the "strong" player again , it happens everyday in all sport and games - human nature Some tournaments have a first group stage , followed by knockout sudden death games In match ups drawn at random It would work for me as I love the chance to play against a really top player , now and then , I learn and that player advances, win win ! |
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amacivn 24-Mar-19, 03:23 |
Deleted by amacivn on 25-Mar-19, 02:35.
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clashofpawns 24-Mar-19, 17:00 |
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clashofpawns 25-Mar-19, 13:41 |
Where is this list of rules? |
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clashofpawns 25-Mar-19, 15:34 |
The problem is that I reported it to GK and they told me there was nothing wrong with what they'd done. Actually I don't remember the exact wording. It amounted to nothing being done though. That is why I made this thread. Because I have now had this done to me twice and when I reported it to GK there was nothing I could do further. So I tried to look for another solution and it seems that replacing this weird tournament structure with a single or double elimination tree might be the way. |
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yon_cassius 25-Mar-19, 16:05 |
If, for whatever reason you had timed out in some games (not through choice), wouldn't you fight as furiously as possible to try to claw back some of the points you had lost? The mini-tournament structure could offer more options, but I don't think that the options should be reduced... It could be the case, given the choice, that more players would choose round robin over knockout. If both options were implemented then both groups of players would be allowed to enjoy the m-t's, instead of arbitrarily disenfranchising one group... |
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has the option to reinstate your timed-out game from that timed-out position and start the game again.Is this true?Your points are lost in the first timed out position,but you might be able to win or draw from that same position and same game a bit later. |
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yon_cassius 25-Mar-19, 16:22 |
Their opponent is not obliged to reinstate the game. If it was a tournament game, only the original game counts towards tournament standing... but the reinstated game would still be rated. |
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clashofpawns 25-Mar-19, 16:48 |
a1600 If I timed out in some games in a GK tournament group, I would resign my games against the other players. Because I have done a MASSIVE injustice to the player I did not time out against otherwise. |
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I did it myself when I suffered an illness , in a GK tournament, In a mini tournament I would try and fight back ! , |
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Time out of any game results in ALL games being forfeited The equitable outcome as I see it, is that the player who times out should then have all their games forfeited, whether previous games have been won or not, and then excused from the tournament. Mind you, the games become forfeited in the tournament only and do effect the player's rating or W/L totals. The games simply become non-counted games. This is only fair to the rest of the playing field when a player forgot to set their vacation status or didn't realize that they'd be away for so long causes undeserved one or two victories for other players. While this may seem harsh, it is the only fair way to resolve such a situation, and it would strongly encourage players to pay attention to their game status to avoid timeouts. |
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clashofpawns 26-Mar-19, 19:22 |
mfeeney93 I think since the players in my case were intentionally knocking me out of the tournament, they would merely need to play and lose against everyone else. Elimination tournament trees would help with this aspect of the problem. |
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clashofpawns But, for the given scenario of timeouts, my solution is offered. I do like the idea of a separate tournament style as you suggest. However, I think they could last for a very long time, much longer than the current GK tournaments. But... Might be doable, regardless. |
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clashofpawns 26-Mar-19, 19:29 |
Yes and I think it's quite good. Definitely would be an improvement. |
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I love ideas and new suggestions and solutions , but GK are very happy with the format just now |
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clashofpawns 27-Mar-19, 06:56 |
The amount of work it would take to re-engineer tournaments into a single/double elimination style would be huge. So GK dev(s) have less incentive to want to do it. The amount of investment the GK players have into the current format is huge. So they have very little incentive to support a change. Which is unfortunate. Because it leaves me in this awkward situation where weaker players can knock me out of GK tournaments with ease. |
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"The amount of work it would take to re-engineer tournaments into a single/double elimination style would be huge. So GK dev(s) have less incentive to want to do it. " It's just I find as tech improves people get round it and can manipulate it easier , But that's another thread I hope it hasn't put you off Tournaments here , it has for myself , so I play more mini tournaments now |
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