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black_cat_hamlet
25-Jun-10, 09:13

Discouraging....

You know sometimes, when you're playing your games on Gameknot, when you like the look of all of them? You play through them, it's shaping out to be an interesting struggle, you have good chances, good tactical shots etc etc...

Next thing you know, when you log on again suddenly two or three of the games that are looking good for you are suddenly totally lost with a great move from opponent/blunder from you? Ouch...

It's kinda demoralising when stuff like that happens, isn't it?

myrydin
25-Jun-10, 09:19

I don't even have to wait until the next time I log in to get demoralised. Have you ever experienced what is known as 'submit button syndrome'? What happens here is that a split second after you click 'submit' you realise that you have made a ghastly error. Happens to me all the time.

black_cat_hamlet
25-Jun-10, 09:26

yeah, that has happened before - 'tis very annoying indeed!

I also experience 'fake submit button syndrome' - when I click submit, I see a line I hadn't considered before and frantically go back to look at what would happen... then sigh in relief when I realise that everything's ok. Ironically, that seems to happen after I've analysed a position closely...lol

myrydin
25-Jun-10, 10:27

Ah yes, the dreaded ''fake submit button syndrome,' when you click 'submit' and then instantly go 'oops!' before spending the next twenty minutes or so frantically rummaging through 'analyse the board' to weasel your way out of it, until stumbling upon an antidote. I've had that too.

baronderkilt
25-Jun-10, 13:43

(A)Vital Click-Info~! ... & (B)some unsolicited advice, that

no one else has actually Tried I'm sure; but seems to work, AND its FREE.
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Unless it has changed (<---The Caveat Emptor), when you Click on the SUBMIT BUTTON & see instantly the blunder, all is not lost b'cuz as long as your mouse remains depressed, you can carefully scoot the cursor off the Click-Button to somewhere else on the page before you Unclick ... & it should refuse the SUBMIT order. Of course, if you have a manic mouse, it's too late & you are doomed.
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Blunder prevention; two main types, King and Queen Safety. Before completing a move, review the position to see:

1) All checks that can be immediately made in reply
2) All return moves that can place a piece within 2-Squares of your King
3) Opp pieces that can reach such position within 2-Moves

That process insures you never get Check-Mated without knowing your are getting Check-Mated.

4) Repeat for Queen, if you have troubles keeping her
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To prevent other manners of non-nuclear Instant(Chess)Karma ... See ALL captures your opp can make, even if (ESPECIALLY IF, they look completely improbable). And then look at his REPLIES to your 'Obvious Response that makes it"COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE"to capture there'.
Then figure out how to save yourself before he does it to you ... }8-D
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Simple, no?

tactical_abyss
25-Jun-10, 15:35

myrydin,
Rare,but ghastly errors ever occur to some of us senior masters...right after the submit button is clicked and is immediately realized.My first game with Kajol(also rated at 2400+)back in Sept/09 was unreal.I had a bad day at work,came home and made my move....I had wrote the move down with one conditional move also written down.I do this so that I can look over the moves atleast twice before I submit my first move and then my conditional move(s) next.
For some unknown reason,I submitted my conditional move first!!After that I immediately realized my blunder and resigned the game...in only 16 moves!!And guess what?In that game I had a slight positional edge prior to the blunder,which would have probably won in the endgame!!Me lose in only 16 moves?I think that only happened one other time in my life when I was just learning at age 10!
Well,goes to show you how "dangerous"conditional moves can be if your tired or upset from work and lose ones train of thought!
So,I had to do a "comeback"against Kajol again more recently in March/10 for the win.The "abyss"just had to win that one,or i'd cave myself in!

bhidragon
26-Jun-10, 04:00

Ouch ... Ouch!

In one recent game I made my move, clicked submit and immediately saw I had just handed my opponent a Queen-Rook skewer on a silver platter. So I resigned!

Then, a couple of seconds later (I'm serious ... less than a minute later) I realized that I would have actually come out of the exchange way ahead in material!

Just kick me!

lighttotheright
26-Jun-10, 06:59

I've done something similar to what tactical_abyss did. Except in my game, I didn't immediately recognize what I had done. I thought I had an edge in the game, came back a few hours later and suddenly I'm losing big time! In my game, I still tried to unsuccessfully salvage my position. I can be tenacious and have been successful at working near miracles on the board at times. Alas, it doesn't work very often when your opponent is exceptionally strong.

In a different game, I clicked on the wrong piece and moved it. I immediately knew my error and meant to correct it. But instead, I accidentally hit the submit button...probably because I was tired at the time or the 'Gods' were angry with me!

When I resigned, my opponent & I discussed the game. He mentioned that my move made no sense at all. Then I explained what happened and I'm sure he laughed a little bit.

tactical_abyss
26-Jun-10, 08:59

I love conditional moves.Infact,GK has expanded the amount of conditional moves one can initiate at any time.I think it use to be 10 moves max.Now,I don't know the max,but it is atleast 15 moves or more.This is great,especially in long Ruy Lopez or Sicilian opening lines or endgame obvious King chase opponent responses ect.Once I initiated 14 cond.moves...all the way to mate.I guess,I do this admittedly to some players that tend to end up moving slower than molecules in dry ice,so I don't want to be bothered anymore even looking at the game until I see the mate message in my box!
But,I repeat,when utilizing alot of conditional moves like I do,I have to be extra cautious about misplacing any one of the moves which isn't hard to do...especially large amts,like 12-15 moves.So conditional moves can be a blessing or a curse.

tactical_abyss
26-Jun-10, 10:44

In addition to my message above,i've had opponents lose to me that told me that they forgot that they switched the board to MY board and perhaps the positions were similar but not exact and made a move on my board that was designed for another opponent!Thats one of the best(or worse?)blunders I heard yet in corrrep play!I suppose if you are playing like 100 games or so,anything is possible!Thats one of the resons that limiting ones game load to say,10 or less may very well minimize game errors not to mention deeper tactical play by utilizing more time to look at individual games,without trying to "squeeze" ones alloted time in 2 or 3 days trying to respond to massive amounts of games.

lighttotheright
26-Jun-10, 11:57

I can see how moving on the wrong board might be possible with simultaneous similar games.

If that kind of blunder occurred with me, I'd probably develop an acute case of Tourette Syndrome. Hopefully it would be relatively mild and not last long.

easy19
27-Jun-10, 07:35

My mistake is still running

I came up with my next move a good one in a game i am winning. and then moved the piece on the wrong board. because i switch tabs by a unwanted keystroke. so i am now loosing a game against um a 1180 player and i hope he is not aware of his chances

easy19
03-Jul-10, 14:03

ok i got lucky

So i won the game, but i find myself lucky...

and the game is also annotated by Joanne stevens so you may judge my blunder....
gameknot.com

black_cat_hamlet
04-Jul-10, 04:15

Lucky indeed It would have been crushing to lose to someone 1000 points below you lol

markb56
04-Jul-10, 12:57

Playing a 1000 rated player is like playing poker with a donkey. Never underestimate their ability to make amazingly good moves. But then the next move is often amazingly bad. Consistency is what counts.

lighttotheright
05-Jul-10, 10:18

When you're playing somebody 1000 rating points below yours, you never give up after a mistake unless it is physically impossible i.e. you've got a lone King in checkmate!

There are just too many possibilities to turn things around or force a stalemate. The lower rated player won't know enough to avoid those situations, as the rest of Freddie's' game demonstrated. In fact, such a low rated player will find it difficult to find a possible win without delivering stalemate when faced with too much of an overwhelming advantage (+9 or more). They simply do not know how to coordinate their pieces. The pieces constantly stumble over each other. A 1000 to 1200 player simply does not know much about harmony and it can easily be used against them.

You can often count on them to blindly trade pieces to seal the advantage. While this is technically correct, you can easily set pitfalls that they are bound step into. And that is what happened in Freddie's game. Yes, it happened quickly, but that is not all that unusual. But it is worth to note because it can be a valuable lesson for a lot of players.

victorian00
08-Jul-10, 14:41

being 'trigger happy' on the submit button is a horror show. just as you click your eyes invariably scan the board once more and then you see it. there could possibly be a function whereby you submit but get th chance to retract the submission with another click. if no further click comes within 5 seconds then the move goes through.

make the cheque out to...

baronderkilt
08-Jul-10, 20:21

or like Windows once did . . .

You want to delete this file? Y

Your sure you want to delete this file, it will be gone forwever (except to FBI recovery) ? Yes

You are REALLY SURE you want to delete? YES #$%& YOU~!

OK user, I'll take down the ICON, and you'll let me know if you want the file gone too? . . . BTW you ARE the Administrator, Right?
****
How about a nice game of Chess, Dave?
So, You want to make that Move ? . . .

cptblackbeard
16-Jul-10, 09:11

Since I have 7 days to make one single move I usually set up the position on my real board and start analysing with even making notes of the variations. It isn't until I made up my mind and am more or less sure about it's correctness I return to GK. So I am not affected by the 'trigger happy' syndrome. 'Trigger happiness' of my opponents helped me a lot to win, I think.

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