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euro_pop_legend
13-Apr-20, 06:00

Conditional Moves/Declare Draw
Being a bit newer on GK,I just have a question regarding the capability of presetting a
declared draw in a series of conditional moves that my opponent has not yet gone into.
Lets say that the position repeats itself 3 times or more and according to the rules it is
a definite declared draw under normal circumstances.In a case like that,all you do is press
the declared draw button.This I understand.However,under a conditional move sequence,if my opponent moves as expected and agrees to those preset conditional moves,will the declared draw be recognized by the GK computer automatically?Will I have to press a declared draw option manually after my opponent goes through the conditional moves?I was hoping that through the conditional moves,it would all be automatic and the draw would come about without me doing anything.I know it works for "mate" situations automatically if the opponent mirrors the conditional moves,but how about a draw situation?
euro_pop_legend
13-Apr-20, 06:27

So,above I was trying to see if I could actually press a draw button at the end of the conditional move string I set up even before he delves into the conditionals to end the game ahead of time
or other options.
neverherebefore
15-Apr-20, 15:11

Deleted by neverherebefore on 26-Apr-20, 12:17.
euro_pop_legend
15-Apr-20, 15:13

I was thinking more on the line of a declared draw,not asking for a draw.Unless that is what you mean?
jett22
27-May-20, 12:18

Threefold Repetition and 50-Move rule are not automatic
Hi Lucas,

These two types of draws are not automatic; they must be claimed by a player.
www.chessstrategyonline.com

Hope that helps!
Matt
myrydin
28-May-20, 02:58

I could be wrong, but I got the feeling Lucas meant programming the claim in.

BTW were players able to write these sort of things down on the postcard when playing old style CC Chess? ‘If ... I claim a draw’ etc?
lord_shiva
25-Jun-20, 16:41

Declared Draws
There are no conditional move options for declared draws.

I think that's fine--at the end of any sequence the declaration can still be made. You can declare a three fold repetition moves after the repetition has occurred--isn't that correct?

So only moves may be programmed. If in the course of the conditionals a draw condition is reached (opponent cannot move or neither player has sufficient pieces to win) the draw condition is automatically triggered. My suspicion is that the conditional move program permits additional moves even after the draw condition is reached. I don't know--but I wouldn't make the program search for draw conditions if I wrote it. Just the checkmate. The draw conditions would be hit by the regular program move.

Conditional moves permit ONLY moves. And again, GK's implementation of this feature appears to be the best on any game site I've played. Plus conditional triggered moves appear in the log. So sweet!
princevlad
30-Jun-20, 22:05

Many hate it
I never understood why, but some people just don't like it when you use conditional moves. Some people really don't like it. I have been called names and berated for doing it.

I asked about it on here once, without naming the opponent. The people on this board attacked me, saying I should never call anyone out. And I didn't call him out. He got onto my thread and outed himself. Then GK deleted my posts!

Another guy called me a prick after I mated him with eight straight conditional moves. The game had been obviously lost for a long time. As I have heard many times in my life about many different things: If you don't like it, you can quit.
euro_pop_legend
01-Jul-20, 02:04

Hello princevlad,
I try and not make many comments in the forums,like you guys that have been here much longer than me,but I know that at my rating level,I send and receive conditional moves all the time with no issues or complaints.The bottom line is that you are only following the rules that have been set up by GK themselves.I would think that any dislike of conditional moves,for any reason and no matter what the reason should be laughed at and taken less than a grain of sand.In fact,
would increase the usage of the allowable law set forth by GK in any specific game where you know the opponent dislikes their usage and use them even more for that specific opponent.
Their complaints seem childish to me with levels of inexperience in correspondence chess.If they put you on ignore...well laugh again!That would seem to me like a child throwing a temper tantrum!Plenty more opponents on GK if they never play you again.
euro_pop_legend
01-Jul-20, 02:26

Let me add to my above comment,that in one of my recent games,my opponent set up 10 conditional moves from move #1! It was a Sicilian game and I was black.And while I did not have to follow whatever those 10 moves were,I ended up,if fact making all 10 moves in a Najdorf,a common opening variation for a Sicilian.I sent him a game message thanking him for the time saving moves that I followed through on.I wish he would have sent me 20 conditionals!Later in the game,I returned the favor and sent him 8 conditional moves.