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floorwax 31-Aug-23, 10:42 |
 Allowed references for the opening?New subscriber here. Although not mentioned in Q21 about cheating ( gameknot.com ), would the following types of references be within bounds for correspondence-style games on GK? Wikipedia pages YouTube videos or chess videos in general Opening explorers (Sorry if this topic has already been covered -- I didn't see a way to search the forums.) |
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The others seem to have the same status as books, which are also allowed, provided they do not show the exact moves to make for a guaranteed win or draw for any given position on any one of your in progress boards. I would be interested in the definitive response. |
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euro_pop_legend 31-Aug-23, 14:53 |
Deleted by euro_pop_legend on 31-Aug-23, 15:09.
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Look at it this way:You are permited to consult paperback books with openings,such as MCO-14 when playing on GK or other chess sites.Those opening moves may appear as cheating but they are not,since both sides can use books or online databases as much as they want.In a way,the opening books do make the moves for a player,but then,there are many variations of the same opening,so you can choose from an almost infinite set of variables.Some opening books go deep,to say,move 50!!And other opening databases are much smaller.In theory,the one who has the "better",deeper and more qualitative opening book many times has an "edge"in the opening,but that is not written in stone. Since no one can keep an "eye"on a corresp player,then the rule of opening books has been around for decades.In reality,it is true,however,that if two players are using very good opening books...then most of the time,the "real game"does not start until,perhaps move 25 or later!! A trick to move out of book more quickly and fool your book opponent is make a slightly weaker move like 10.a3 or h3 with your pawn,which throws many book users...out of book.This can be good or bad,depending upon the position,but it does work quite often and then you KNOW very soon if your book user has been moved out of book. As Myrydin suggests above,opening databases do not make the moves for you relative to a win,draw or loss.But most opening books have a stat win/loss/draw ratio gained from millions of games played over the decades between the IM's,GM's and other sources....up to an including computer vs computer programs!! There are so many "subvariations"of the same line,that one can pick and choose better than a smorgasbord. But again,its usually for the opening and disappears by midgame. Once you are "out of book"however,then using a computer program to analyze beyond that book of yours is totally illegal.That is the difference. Right now,I am consulting MCO-14 for a better stat opening line on the Fantasy Variation of the Caro-Kann.Not the best,but it is used as a "surprise weapon"against the unwary.I am playing the Caro against someone on another chess site.All legal and permitted. |
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floorwax 01-Sep-23, 06:37 |
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floorwax... Sometimes,differences arise when your opponent tells you that he is not using any opening book and expects the same from you.Well,that is "his problem",not yours.If he/she refuses to read a chess opening book or go online to use a good opening book,that does not prevent you morally or ethically to use what ever tools you need to win the game with hundreds of opening books both online,CD,paperback and more.I have a wall full of chess books and opening book software,polyglot opening books(custom)and more.But my opponents on my level ALSO have much of the same,I am sure.And that is why my "draw ratio"is pretty high.But better than losing!! |
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Analysis board... On the whole I prefer you use my little magnetic chess set (I've had for about 35 years now), that I keep beside my machine. I find it much easier to analyse difficult positions on that. |
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floorwax 10-Sep-23, 15:18 |
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euro_pop_legend 05-Oct-23, 09:45 |
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euro_pop_legend 05-Oct-23, 09:49 |
Deleted by euro_pop_legend on 05-Oct-23, 09:51.
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@ floorwax and others... What separates those better one's from,say GK's would take pages to explain. I am not here to do that anymore,after I closed my club. But the so called "midgame"in using Gk's for example,may "end"at move 30, while a pro database may end at move 50!!!See the difference?So one's midgame to a player has ended with GK's or other "inferior"opening databases, whereas the opponent using something like HIARCS Opening database goes much deeper.This usually gives the opponent an "edge" who has a tool that is updated 4 times a year and then that opening database has "instant response" options attached to it,combined with your GUI which can "isolate"the better subvariations by win and draw stats.Again,not a tool for beginners or those rated(in my opinion), less than 1800 in rating.But using the better opening databases can and will raise ones chess strength,once you know how to use the "tool"correctly. There are many "free"databases like...YottaChess,but they are not updated frequently like Hiarcs or a specialized custom polyglot book like I have. So,basically,you get what you pay for,depending upon how "serious"you want to keep up with "cutting edge"chess theory.The last two years,I have been getting many more draws than wins compared to other years I have had on GK.In theory,I attribute that to my opponents having obtained a better opening book on the market.I can usually tell when we "both" run out of book at about the same time by move 48,even in an "irregular"game!! And one of the reasons,unlike others,I usually will not play opponents in the 2000-2200 range because they too,may have a cutting edge opening book that gives them a much higher chance at drawing with me. And THAT is what will lose me rating points for the draw.So,while draws are also common with me playing a 2400 rated player(since am 2400+), i'd rather draw or win with a 2400+ compared to just drawing with a 2100 rated player and go downhill in rating.One might think that a 2100 player will be weak in the endgame compared to me...but this is not necessarily true,that is,if "their"opening book has "set them up"comfortably for those last moves just "prior"to reaching an endgame. All of what I just said,goes far beyond a 1000-1300 rated player,but its still food for thought if and when they reach higher rating levels and need "something else"to experiment with.A long time ago,Bobby Fischer mentioned something to the effect that chess is no longer a game of creation or reasoning but based upon opening move memorization. That is not an exact quote,but it is similar to his views decades ago. And as many know,throughout the decades,that "memorization" has perhaps doubled,compared to the 1970's!! TA |
