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 Cancelling opponents' postponements.
I am interested in your opinion on whether that is a good policy and your reasons?
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kingdawar
18-Jan-09, 13:29
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It doesn't matter much either way...
...as always the clock is reset to plenty of time for one's next move.
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muppyman
18-Jan-09, 14:00
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Your choice entirely,
That's why, when it comes up, it's an option, to accept or decline on any particular occasion, for whatever reason seems appropriate to a player at the time. As for your policy being a good one? It must be..for you, if you are happy with it. I would not argue with you against it, because it's your choice, and as such, none of my business, except to say I hope it's working for you.
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chessnovice
18-Jan-09, 14:03
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I don't tend to do it since you never really know what's going on (plus it gives me more time to play). In many cases, I'd rather the person postpone their game rather than time out. But I never hold it against someone if they cancel my postponements. Truth be told, I don't think I've ever given anyone that option to begin with.
But there are always exceptions to the rule. If I have an opponent who really overdoes it with postponements, I'd consider it. I think I've only done it once or twice.
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When the opportunity comes and it asks if I would like to cancel I always wait a day or two then check the players profile to see if the vacation flag is off then I cancel the postponement. As for my profile that is a different story. =)
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kansasjayhawk
18-Jan-09, 21:18
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I always cancel unless I know the person.
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derman53
18-Jan-09, 21:59
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Never cancel
I don't cancel because I don't like to have my games canceled. Some weeks I am not sure when I can get on the system so I take a couple of days or even a couple of days. I may be able to get on for a couple days in that period and ask people not to cancel. I don't think it should be an option to cancel anyway. Why give all of that vacation time and nor be able to use it. So what if if it takes more time. Come on people sometimes Chess must take a back seat to other things in life.
DERMAN
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paranoidyoshi
18-Jan-09, 22:42
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Karma?
Once someone (I forgot who, it probably is in my message box) completely went bonkers when I canceled
his postponement. When I blundered away the game a couple moves later he taunted me, saying it was
"karma." Since then, I've never cancelled a game, not because I'm a fan of karma (really, it wasn't my
fault, and besides he moved in the game anyway), but I don't feel like going through that again.
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muppyman
19-Jan-09, 02:12
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para, harma?????
It was his actions alone that gave you the official invitation to cancel his postponement. Why should you feel bad about accepting that invitation? With his attitude he is the one who should be looking over his shoulder, hoping that karma isn't getting ready to come back and bite him. The world will always have a percentage of nasty people, dont let that deprive you of your rights as a member of Gameknot.
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Thanks for the replies, everybody, I think I'll stick with my current policy, because, as chessnovice says, you never really know what is going on. Besides it's no skin off my nose.
paranoidyoshi , I endorse muppyman 's response to you; this is the sort of issue I was thinking of when I posted the thread - that sometimes it is the innocent party who is expected to enforce the rules or the spirit of the rules and often the "villain" takes unwarranted offence. This is possibly comparable to having to claim time-outs.
Cheers,
Tim.
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brian6062
22-Jan-09, 11:12
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I dont cancel
I usually do not cancel. My reasoning is that if they are on vacation or otherwise unable regularly access their games and just happen to make a few moves during that time I don't want to punish them for it.
Additionally, winning a game through a time out brings me very little joy so I like for my opponents to have every chance to make a move.
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Once in an interesting position my opponent was about to time-out. I postponed all my games to save this particular opponent from timing-out. Of course I continued moving in my other games, and my other opponents were welcome to cancel the postponements, as it was not their games I was worried about.
Some days I can be such a very nice person.
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I never cancel
Since a postponement does not always mean that someone cannot move, but maybe cannot move in every game. I had someone who complained that I didn't cancel my postponement because I made a move during the postponement, but I had a lot of work so could not move in every game.
I wonder if someone cancels the postponement how much time remains...
If you play a move during postponement time, does that mean suddenly everybody can cancel the postponement, or only those in whose games I moved?
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!!??
I have an opponent who has postponed our game for a few days and find I already have the option of cancelling it, even though he has not made any moves.
FAQ 15 states: "If your opponent continues to make moves in any of his/her games during the postponement period, you will be able to cancel the postponement and restore the original time control for the game. The corresponding link will appear on the game page (above the chess board) that would allow you to cancel the postponement after your opponent makes 5 or more moves (in any of their games) during the postponement period."
Note the "link will appear" and "5 moves or more". So why do I have the option already? It doesn't give me a lot of confidence, knowing my postponements can be cancelled without notice, even when adhering to GK requirements.
Maybe the rule changed, and now the postponement stands or falls on the whim of your opponent, who may or may not be feeling benevolent when they log on?
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derman53
29-Jan-09, 01:36
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I know he 5 game rule is not working. I have had several people cancel after a couple of moves.
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kingdawar
29-Jan-09, 03:21
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So let's say your opponent has moved twice in one game and once in three games, but not in their game with you, still YOU would be able to cancel the postponement in the game they are playing with you. It is quite clear, is it not?
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muppyman
29-Jan-09, 14:11
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garos,
He didn't just postpone his game with you, when he postponed, ALL his games were affected, and he didn't need to make ANY moves in his game with you, as long as he made 5 or more moves in ANY combination of games, then ALL his opponents get the same notice that you got.
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heinzkat, muppyman
Thanks for the explanation. I did wonder later if it was a total of 5 moves in any games, as he is playing 44 games and he has moved in my game now. But still, I would never cancel as he obviously has his reasons. When ever anyone postpones I'm happy to wait. It is no big deal.
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tactical_abyss
12-Feb-09, 20:40
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I tend to carefully look over an opponents profile and past games before I either accept a challenge or send a challenge.I look for how many time outs,ave move and game time and a few other things.By carefully looking for opponent "trends" before a game is accepted,then things like the need for cancelling postponements will less likely even come up.Also playing 2 day game move settings will definitely speed up any game in the long run,regardless of postponements.I once made a huge mistake of playing an opponent with a 2 week per move setting.On top of that he had over 10 postponements.I like correspondence,but a game that takes almost 3 years to complete,is bordering on the insane in my book!
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Five Move Rule
Is the five move rule in effect? My opponent has a vacation flag set and is making g moves but I have not seen any option to cancel.
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Postponement Rules
From GK rules:
We do however have a number of limitations in the game postponement rules that prevent its abuse. Specifically, there is a "waiting period" after each postponement during which games cannot be postponed again. Also, if your opponent continues to make moves in any of his/her games during the postponement period, you will be able to cancel the postponement and restore the original time control for the game. The corresponding link will appear on the game page (above the chess board) that will allow you to cancel the postponement after your opponent makes 5 or more moves (in any of their games) during the postponement period.
Also, if you find your opponent's behavior annoying, you can always add them to your ignore list.
ยป Complete game postponement rules
Q45: I have removed the vacation flag from my account, but some of my games are still postponed, why?
A: Removing the vacation flag from your account does not automatically cancel the postponement for all your games. It is actually not recommended to cancel the postponements for your own games as your opponents might already be counting on using the extra time. Please simply continue making your moves normally and the original time control will be restored for all your games once the original postponement period is over.
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I would never cancel an opponent's postponement. If he wants to move sooner rather than later, then good for him--either way it's doing no harm to me.
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