GameKnot related: Optional non 24 hours added?
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tactical_abyss
13-Jun-10, 17:20

Optional non 24 hours added?
I just wondering if anyone ever thought of asking GK to have an OPTION selection that would PREVENT extra time from being added to a specifically selected game(s) between 5-6pm PST?The added time as it is designed now,is to prevent time-outs over the weekend for players from work/school that don't have computers at home.
But wouldn't it be great if 2 opponents that DO have computers at home and DO NOT play at work or school would have an OPTION to have no added time to their clock over the weekend in order to run the normal time cycle and possibly speed up the game with no adjusted time controls?Alot of my opponents for example rarely move on the weekends,even if they only play at home.The "no added time"might keep these players moving and on their toes,if they accept the option.But an optional auto decline selection with no added time might be something to think about for many players that actually prefer weekend moves and more keeping the game moving in an orderly fashion.
Again,this would be an option only.Unless the time server on GK could not handle the selected differences with some players but not others?
Just a thought.
lighttotheright
14-Jun-10, 08:49

In a convoluted way, the option already exists in games with standard GK time allotments. If both players make moves over the weekend after the extra time has been added, the added time disappears and becomes irrelevant.

In games with variable time frames, the added time will only become irrelevant when both players reach their maximum and continue to make moves rapidly. In other words, if you don't actually use the extra time it drops off after moves have been made.

The way the clock works on GK, you generally cannot save time by making quick moves. In fact, you lose time by playing fast. This is kind of the opposite of normal chess. But I don't see any alternative when playing on-line correspondence chess. The only exceptions are when you already played slowly and need to regain available time because of nonstandard time settings being used.

So my question is, why would we need such an option? Just play as often as possible and I don't believe that it would matter. Am I mistaken?
lighttotheright
14-Jun-10, 09:11

How would the option be applied?

If you set the option but your opponent does not, how would that change anything? Your opponent would not likely set such an option if he does not normally play on a weekend.
baronderkilt
14-Jun-10, 11:00

I think that
the simplest thing would be to add a On/Off switch for each player, where OFF would mean they decline to get extra day for Saturday; and if both players were OFF then it would not give them an extra day. But if one was ON they would both get their day. Tho it could easily make it so only the one OFF gave up their own day, I suppose.
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Probably players who would use it would want the feature being OFF to apply to the entire game once chosen, and not able to switch to ON for that game then, I would think. Since they probably both believe at the beginning that the matter may advantage them at a later point & put their opp in a time situation that would probably not lead to a TimeOut but perhaps a hasty move. Or maybe they would not care if it could be turned on, if they only wanted to hasten the game, rather than anticipate any advantage being accrued. Personally, I don't feel a need for either purpose however. But am a slower player to start with. Even so, with Vacation Days and Emergency PP feature ... It would not worry me about any Time Out even if it were made mandatory to have no extra day anymore. Yet, I do prefer that it IS given to us ... or at least to me. I would not bother me if my opp chose not to get one, for some reason ... }8-D
tactical_abyss
14-Jun-10, 14:28

I was just thinking somewhat on how Baron mentioned it.It would have to be agreed between both players before the game started(no time added on weekend).And this would be an option that both must accept or decline beforehand or no game.And this setting would remain fixed for the rest of the game.The option can be placed anywhere,whether it be in ones auto decline settings for incoming challenges,or somewhere else for outgoing challenges.
This would not be for everyone's taste,I know,but it places alittle more haste control I would think on you and your opponent to move the game along,especially on the weekends when many players simply refuse to move because it is Sat/Sun.
I'm thinking on the lines of personal challenges outgoing/incoming only.Not necessarily team or league games ect.
Again whether its a bad or good idea,it was just a thought that crossed my mind.
kingdawar
14-Jun-10, 16:17

It can't be on in the one game and off in the other. Leave as is
tactical_abyss
14-Jun-10, 17:41

Well it might not be able to be off in one game and on in another the way it is set up now,I agree,but anything is possible with advanced time cycle programming upgrades.Or,if thats a problem,then a player could have an option to have either all there games on or all their games off the weekend time being added ...which would easily solve any complex problem.
Alot of chess sites have no time added to the weekend,so this is nothing new.But an option to have all your games with zero time added or all your games with 24 hours added WITHOUT mixing the "on"and "off" would not be beyond the realm of possibility.
Just like the newer designed ideas of posting open challenges with players having only 3% time-outs instead of 5% or minimum amt of games finished like 100 instead of 50.....
posting an open challenge for your group of 10 games being played(for example and no others),the "zero weekend time added" option could be listed and clicked on to.Again,providing that all the rest of the players games are "on"or "off"as well...for that specific group being played by that opponent.
Sometimes changes are hard to fathom sometimes,but once they are engaged,they later become a welcome option for many and not for others.Just like other options like a white background instead of the classic black.I'd never use the white background because it seems too distractingly bright...but atleast its there if I ever change my mind.
And so time option changes should not be simply "swept under the carpet",simply because it seems impossible right now or would not be something we are use to.Change is a good thing many times.
markb56
16-Jun-10, 10:26

According to GK's FAQ the reason for adding the extra time is:

"24 hours are automatically added to all non-postponed games to prevent timeouts over the weekend for people who play from work"

I find this funny because not only is playing chess during work unethical, but my company's I.T. department has a special "markb" monitor in their firewall just waiting to catch me doing something inappropriate so that they can get me fired. Seriously.