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amacivn
02-Jul-11, 15:38

Postponed games in tournements..... a question
i find them very frustrating, i don't mean to moan (again) as i do enjoy this site, but instead of 2 days couldn't it be done that you have to make a move every day ?, I timed out due to work commitment's in a round and just want to finish my remaining matches, but one player seems to move in all his other games but not our group , and now has postponed for a second time in the round.If i resign do i lose my ranking points ? i just want to move on , i have the chess bug again but I'm getting frustrated that i can't make many moves,
b123
03-Jul-11, 11:36

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You want a 1 day move time option in tournament games, but timed out yourself due to
commitments... You'll get a quickly finished tournament but with most of the games ended with a
timeout. Is that what you want?

1 day / move is way to fast to play correspondence chess worldwide. (timezones you know)
tactical_abyss
03-Jul-11, 12:03

b123,
Yes,for the most part,I agree with you that 1 day/move is generally too fast to play corresp worldwide.
HOWEVER,believe it or not there ARE corresp chess sites that have 1 day/move games,especially in tournaments!!!How its done exactly,i'm not 100% sure.But it exists!
If you do not believe this,simply check online with the chess sites I will mention in the next paragraph for yourself.You don't have to be a member to go online and click on the "help"section or "Faq" section to get that info!Infact,I just double checked that a few minutes ago myself!

Two sites that come to mind are...."Chessatwork" and "RHP"(Redhotpawn).Years ago I played some corresp on those two sites using 1 day/move games.Yes,many of my opponents DID time-out,but thats besides the point!My point is simply that these things DO exist.So,in slight defense to amacivn,it IS possible regardless of the different time zones!How?I don't know,i'm only a humble senior master!If I remember correctly there were other chess sites as well that had the 1 day/move time,but i'd have to check my past data logs when I played on about 6 or 7 other chess sites...and i'm too lazy to do that!

Would I personally desire the 1 day/move clock times?Yes!because I know that "I"wouldn't time out with my 1.4 hour average move time and that others would giving me some easy points!(How unfair....ha,ha!).But all is fair in love and chess as I say!

Best,
TA
tactical_abyss
03-Jul-11, 12:47

Also....amacivn,
While GK is the best chess site on the internet,perhaps you should consider playing some games on the two sites I mentioned above?Atleast you will get your 1 day games!Or perhaps you are a member already with those 2 sites?I do not like the boards and piece design on those 2 sites and the competition is either too weak for me or unreliable,but there are alot of 1400+players on those sites,so maybe it would be your cup of tea?

Lately,i've been hanging out at some of the expensive blitz pay sites under different handle names(shhhhh....my secret,you won't even know who I am!),but the one day move games are out there in cyberspace,even some WITHOUT a tourney,if I remember correctly!

au revoir,
TA
algol
03-Jul-11, 16:22

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Aren't the two sites mentioned really a single site? Just like ChessColony leads you to Gameknot with the same users and the same games?
tactical_abyss
03-Jul-11, 16:28

Yes,algol,I believe they are!I had forgotton that since it has been about 5- 6 years since I have been on those(that?)chess site.But you get the idea!There are others with 1 day settings,but I can't remember at the moment.Just thought i'd tell amacivn and b123 about the site.I suppose if one site is down,the other one will continue to operate at upgrading times perhaps?
amacivn
04-Jul-11, 14:03

Postponed games in tournements..... a question
b123, i actually hate my timeouts, due to a faulty computer (now changed) and commitments of a family personal nature (which i had to put first), the 1 day a move idea was just to keep the games ticking over, and stop what i find frustrating play i.e when a person moves in all the games except the tournament group why?, in my case at the start of the round when no-one has an advantage. plus the fact i think it could attract players of the same ilk who would not postpone to gain advantage or frustrate, as i say just a suggestion.
I have yet to see a 24 hr time zone,
it was just that reading the forum I'm not the only person who can get wrapped up in chess only to feel frustrated, i don't play chess i feel chess , i know this costs me points , but i get so many challenges from like players it makes this site........
my favorite , if i new how to use /open a paypal ( i do not currently use credit cards due to the glint in my girlfriends eye !!) account i would be a member.
thanks to everybody for taking the time to put there messages up .and to the challenges which i will definitely respond to as soon as i can ( not due to timeouts !)
tactical_abyss
04-Jul-11, 17:15

amacivn,
I'm not sure if I read your post correctly,but are you considering the possibility of becoming a paying member?I'm not sure about paypal myself,and i also rarely use credit cards over the internet.I actually used a money order purchased at a local mini mart food store to pay GK!I assume a postal or bank money order would do just as well.This way you can skip paypal or a credit card or even skip a personal check.I don't know if that would be only a US money order however?But your bank can probably process some kind of international money order.And if not...don't worry!You can ALSO purchase one of those credit cards(like a master card) at the store and just preload it at the check-out with only the exact amout that would be for GK.So,even if someone gets those numbers,they can't use it,because it will have no value on it after you pay GK and then cut up and throw the card away!

Paying members have so much more quality playing chess on GK....hope you also become one!
baronderkilt
04-Jul-11, 18:59

amacivn
i have to agree with b123 and believe that is one of the reasons mentioned in the past for there being no purely one day time controls. At least the GK Tournaments always allow at least 2 days.

If you mean Mini Tournament however, you can always set up your own and request players that make several moves a day. In fact you can choose to make it invitational and then only Invite ones that do. However, there is no way but their own honor (and the possibility of excluding them from your later events) to hold them to it. And as you know, even the quickest playing and best intentioned can have Life interfere with Chess, as happens. And end up PP'g or slowing down in their play.
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NEW IDEA: WHAT DO OTHERS THINK OF IT ?
An interesting thought for GK Tounaments might be to offer players to request a fast play section and group the ones that do. And perhaps this would help GK in providing a satisfying event to more of the Fast Players by getting them into the same sections, if not providing an answer to hastening the overall event and avoiding the "1%" scenario. To Request inclusion however, a player should be required to have a history of less than one day average time of move.
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T/A "But all is fair in love and chess as I say!" You're not fooling me with that one ... I know you're a tough but good sport from our blitz   ... I havent seen you lose, but I did get a Check that one game, and you took it graciously. But agree is would be pointless to suggest Anything is fair in Love and Love, now that it claimed War has Rules to it ?!

amacivn
06-Jul-11, 13:17

Hey Tactical_Abyss, nice to hear from you again , yes I think its time i should join , i think my small issues would disappear with a membership, i don't like credit cards but i'm sure one of your ideas can be used in the UK,

Hey Baronderkilt, I like the idea of the mini tournaments , one might suit me , time to check them out , your idea of the fast play tournament would cut out the postponements i think as those players could not enter,
baronderkilt
06-Jul-11, 13:59

amacivn ...
Another thought I forgot to mention was the Allegro (aka Fischer) type time controls. They start off with a certain number of days allowed in the beginning, then add time every time a player makes a move, but have a limit of the total days of time a player can accumulate. What you might like could be some such as:

3 +1 to total = 3 ... if that option is available.

There would be three days to use for the first move, or whenever desired to use a full 3 days. But only one day added for making each move and they would never have more than 3 days to move. So it might go like this:
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You move first day, so should get +1, but already being at the 3 day max accumulation, you just stay with 3 days left.
Move 2 you decide to take 2 days. So you are down to 1 left, +1 for moving = 2 days to use for move 3.
Move 3 you use one day. 2 -1, +1 for move = 2 left.
Move 4 you make same day. 2+1 = 3 left
Move 5 is also that day. 3+1 = 4 days left ... but the Max keeps it to 3 days left instead. ETC.

Not knowing if you are very familiar with the Allegro's, I wanted to try an example. And if you have already tried them, perhaps it will explain for someone else then.

For keeping a fast pace, the number of days allowed at the start is not too important. The Total Days are more important. And the Days Added. imo. For instance something like 10 +2 Total 3 would very likely end up playing faster than a 3 +3 Total 5. As a practical matter.
Cheers.
amacivn
06-Jul-11, 14:18

Baronderkilt,
No It is news to me , don't think I've heard of the "Allegro" type before, excellent description i got it straight away, Nice one cheers