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ketchuplover
16-Jan-18, 05:00

In OTB chess

if black is "adjusting" his 8th rank pieces while white moves(start of game) shouldn't (s)he have to move a knight? I say yes.

archduke_piccolo
16-Jan-18, 06:33

In OTB chess

If you are Black and just tidying up the pieces when White makes the first move of the game, just say 'j'adoube' and carry on.

Simple.

I see your idea, but you could simply deny having touched a knight. That denial would be no ruder than White making a move whilst you're still adjusting your pieces.

deeper_insight
16-Jan-18, 07:28

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deeper_insight
16-Jan-18, 07:33

A couple of OTB touch move rules many players are not aware of:

If you touch a piece during your move, you are required to move that piece. If you do not take your finger off that piece, you can move it to a different spot, but once you let go, the move is “locked in”.

If you touch an OPPONENTS piece during your turn and have the ability to capture it, you must do so. This is a little less well known to casual players, and can result in some fiery debates (and is the reason for this post!)

If you’d like to adjust one of your chess pieces during your turn, you are supposed to say j’adoube. (French for “I adjust”) Only then can you straighten your piece out.

Under no circumstances is it acceptable for you to touch any chess pieces during your opponents turn. Doing so results in a TIME PENALTY.

If you touch a piece that you cannot use (for example when you are in check or you touch a piece that, if moved, would put you in check) you instead take a time penalty.

Castling always must be done king first, but if you touch them both at the same time you are obligated to make that castle (it is also poor form). If you do so and you cannot legally castle, you are required to move the king but not the rook.

Above ketchuplover mentioned about touching a piece while it is the opponents turn to move.
Not a good thing to do.For even if you state "j’adoube",you can still obtain a time penalty.Not a well know fact.

baddeeds
16-Jan-18, 09:52

What Joe posted is so true. But, Jack Stockel, for the most part, doesn't enforce that rule. The big difference is that it's casual, so one is there to learn. Thus, it's a coaching experience. In a tournament, however, he does enforce the rule since that's what it will be like in a real tournament. In fact, I would've been penalized with the real deal. As one time, there was a tournament, and being used to regular OTB games that aren't tournament, I touched a piece. And, I was about to change my mind, but Jack said, "Once you touch it, you have to move it." I was thankful, however, that this was just a casual tournament because it would've, more then likely, been considered cheating anywherelse and would, therefore, have resulted in disqualification.

archduke_piccolo
16-Jan-18, 12:07

One of the points I was getting across...

... was that at the beginning of the game (which is what I inferred from the original post) it comes as something of sharp practice as White suddenly to make the opening move whilst Black is still adjusting pieces.

Mind you, not having played OTB for over 30 years, I am only vague about how the rounds begin. I have an idea the Tournament Director announces 'Start your clocks' or something such. One ought to get one's adjustments well before then. Or, if Black has turned up after the clocks have been started and White had made a move. Black's pieces in disarray, then announces clearly 'j'adoube' (zhadoob) and fixes the problem.

But that wasn't really ketchuplover's point, of course. The point is that supposing Black, not touching a pawn, fiddles with the pieces only, then only a knight can make a legal move. Therefore a knight move would have to be made.

My response was really along the lines of 'Don't allow yourself to be caught in that situation.'

archduke_piccolo
16-Jan-18, 12:09

Come to think of it,

... I believe the player of the Black pieces usually gets the clocks going. If so, then there is no excuse to start fiddling with the pieces subsequently.

euro_pop_legend
14-Feb-26, 22:23

I use to play OTB at the Manhattan Chess Club(now closed)and the Marshall Chess Club in NYC.
They had many tournaments there which I took part in,even as an arbiter once in a while.Wow...that brings back memories!The Marshall had many visiting GM's which I met,including Joel Benjamin who gave a few seminars from time to time.Learned much at that club.But moved far away from NYC now and the "tri state area",so I have not set foot there for a long time.Perhaps I will fly in next New Years and visit. www.marshallchessclub.org

Now,the only OTB I play is at the beach bar in St Barts with my friend who beats me 50% of the time because I tend to get much more tipsy than him.And I was the one who taught him how to play and was at first winning 95% of the time,even after 10 years of playing him!I got so feeling bad for him that I ususlly took one Bishop or Knight off the board before we started the game,as to try and even the playing field for him.So,I must be going downhill!Thats old age for you.Or are my drinks getting spiked stronger?

Joe

resol_bojateg
07-Mar-26, 20:04

thank you baddeed and archduke for in site!
i did not know what baddeed write an thank coach jack stockel!
did not know once piece touch must move it!
guess that why i not play tournament play!

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