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Chess related: Gameknot was down and I timed out

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nathanman22
17-Oct-23, 07:45

Gameknot was down and I timed out

I timed out in a game because gameknot was down. Is there any way to get my rating points down. I tried to get in to move and the site was completely offline. Please help.

euro_pop_legend
17-Oct-23, 19:02

Did you lose one game or three games timing out?Your game record shows 3 games that timed out on 10/17.One game is bad enough but three time-outs because of GK's downtime is almost criminal.I can't help you,except to suggest you do a "game reinstantment request"to your opponents due to a time-out.As far as I know,you can still request that,but it never happened to me,so I am not sure.Otherwise,all you can do is complain to GK.I do not think that GK will simply give your point loss back to you without the games being completed through a reinstatement that has to be agreed upon by your opponents.If they do not agree,then you are out of luck.

nathanman22
19-Oct-23, 07:30

Only 1 timeout

Only one time out was due to gameknot being down. I will claim the other 2 as my fault. I had a time I planned to move but the site was down. I got busy after that and timed out in 2 more games. I would have moved them if the site was up.

lord_shiva
22-Oct-23, 22:14

Reinstatement

It remains a loss by timeout.

That does not change, but I believe your rating goes up if you subsequently win. It goes down more if you subsequently lose. Not sure how this is reflected in your win-loss record.

euro_pop_legend
23-Oct-23, 01:47

Deleted by euro_pop_legend on 23-Oct-23, 02:08.

euro_pop_legend
23-Oct-23, 02:08

@ nathan

I have never asked for a reinstatement,since I never timed-out before,ever.
But if I seen that I was winning by solid material advantage or a better solid position compared to my opponent,I would definitely go in for the reinstatement if I feel that I could have won that game.Combining your point loss in the first time-out and then a win in the reinstated game will probably gain you some net points,but not much with the + and - total together...depends upon your opponents rating.I assume their is a time limit to do the reinstatement,however,which may have passed by now.But that is "double edged" as well,as in the next paragraph....

I know that it has worked the "reverse"for me in a jubilant way.My opponent timed-out and ask for a reinstatement.I actually had him in a mate in 8 in the first game and would have won anyway.But he did not know that!Then I reinstated the game for him and won again in a few moves for a double point gain in that same game!So,it can work both ways.That was many years ago for me on GK and I am not sure(doubt it) if I can even find those two games again,since it was with another account of mine.I keep old game records on a separate file with another PC,so I will check.If I find it,I will post it one day for others as a "lesson"to do or not to do in some circumstances.

lord_shiva
23-Oct-23, 05:23

Pop-Queen-Legend writes @ Nathan 10-23-23 2:08

<<I have never asked for a reinstatement, since I [have] never timed-out before, ever.
But if I saw that I was winning by solid material advantage or a better solid position compared to my opponent,I would definitely go in for the reinstatement if I feel that I could have won that game. Combining your point loss in the first time-out and then a win in the reinstated game will probably gain you some net points, but not much, with the + and - total together. Depends upon your opponent’s rating. I assume there is a time limit to do the reinstatement, however, which may have passed by now. But that is "double edged" as well, as in the next paragraph...

I know that it has worked the "reverse"for me in a jubilant way. My opponent timed-out and asked for a reinstatement. I actually had him in a mate in 8 in the first game and would have won anyway. But he did not know that! Then I reinstated the game for him and won again in a few moves for a double point gain in that same game! So, it can work both ways. That was many years ago for me on GK and I am not sure (doubt it) if I can even find those two games again, since it was with another account of mine. I keep old game records on a separate file with another PC, so I will check. If I find it, I will post it one day for others as a "lesson" to do or not to do in some circumstances.>>

The person you request for reinstatement can always refuse. I tend to only grant requests for positions I see I will easily win again. There is no reason to grant a request for a position you are losing, unless you just really want to be nice, or are rigging your score with a confederate.

euro_pop_legend
23-Oct-23, 05:32

@ Nathan

Its always up to your opponent to accept or decline the reinstatement.I did not mention that because I just figured you knew that already.As above in my remarks, I "accepted"my opponents request but did not have to accept.Same with you...your opponent can accept or decline.And I never "asked"myself to be reinstated to any game because "I"never timed-out before,so with me...its a moot point.

euro_pop_legend
23-Oct-23, 05:43

Deleted by euro_pop_legend on 23-Oct-23, 05:49.

euro_pop_legend
23-Oct-23, 05:49

Deleted by euro_pop_legend on 23-Oct-23, 07:12.

euro_pop_legend
23-Oct-23, 06:27

Deleted by euro_pop_legend on 23-Oct-23, 07:12.

euro_pop_legend
23-Oct-23, 07:12

@ Nathan.Sorry for the deletions,but I am just adding a few things...

and also above,I already mentioned in my first post about your opponent accepting or not accepting your reinstatment as well as to only request the reinstatement if you are.."winning by solid material advantage or a better solid position" which you or your opponent is NOT necessarily being "nice" or "rigging a score",but just being lucky enough to have the opportunity to play the game again.Many chess sites do not offer that option,so this is one positive thing about GK that I like.

It was a "hidden message"to my opponent to be more careful next time,analyze the game more carefully and other factors...BEFORE asking for a reinstatment.That lesson simply cost him the price of another 6 points south.

Only one time since 2005 did this reinstantment option come to light for me,so it is very rare,I believe on the 2300 or higher rating levels,but I am not sure,of course.But I am not here to mention "all the specifics" about reinstatements,just suggest it.

euro_pop_legend
23-Oct-23, 07:48

@ nathan

In reality,all the chat with me about game reinstantments is a moot point anyway,especially if you have not done or plan to do any reinstatements of that game in question or other games.It was just a suggestion.I would be interested to know,without checking,if you did do a reinstatement request or not,or asked for it or accepted it from an opponents request in any past games and what your end results were.There are many that will not do the reinstatement under any circumstances.Many have no idea what it is in the first place.Everyone is different.

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