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mrmarmalade 02-Aug-12, 06:21 |
 Affiliation:Perhaps someone can provide a series of questions/explanations, links OR lectures on the subject. Or perhaps someone would be kind enough just to offer some thoughts. Yours truly, Mr. M (New & Improved @ 33% more value than before.) |
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mrm After some time, you should realize who you agree with mostly and who you disagree with mostly, in broad generalities. Personally I never agree with any one particular group always but I certainly do side with one group more than the others. So, "mostly" I have one ideology, but on some days, or some topics, I have another. For example, on Monday mornings I am usually aligned with "cranky", on Friday afternoons I am more of the "happy" ideology. |
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mrmarmalade 02-Aug-12, 07:06 |
-As I suspected... Thank you for clarifying. |
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Never The more you learn the better you understand the world. As you understand the world, your personal ethos will separate those things that you choose to align yourself from those that you do not. I believe to align yourself with any one outside entity is simply foolish and demonstrates that your understanding of the world is limited and controllable. We are all limited and controlled to an extant. But to be more limtied than we should be is foolish. We should not agree with any person all the time, nor they with us. DoK |
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mrmarmalade 02-Aug-12, 09:01 |
What exactly does it mean to be either Liberal or Conservative in 2012? I notice that these two adjectives are used interchangeably with 'Democrat and Republican' in some of the clubs here. |
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R's and D's Conservatives are trying to preserve values that they feel they have cultivated and want to hold onto. Liberals are looking to create a new sense of values that is more appropriate for today. That is how I see the difference, not mentioning which is good or bad. Just saying. As far as choices go, it is a rare thing in American politics to press for a third choice. Conservatives seem to have been more ready to split their vote amongst more than one party then Liberals--in a meaningful way. The Tea Party, whether you love them, hate them or find them simply interesting is a very successful coaltion of Conservatives that are Constitutionally minded and more conservative than Republicans. They have had a broad impact on poltics over the last four years. We don't see Liberals splitting their vote that way. Just my opinions… DoK |
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illinawek 02-Aug-12, 14:51 |
Conservatives tend to think this is not a possibility, or they don't trust it, or something like that (I consider myself a liberal). |
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illi To me, while that is the ideal view, it seems that is not what "liberals" have come to be. THAT is what they say, but that is not what they do. You are correct that most conservatives do not believe, any more, in the ability of government to improve any lives (except their own). Maybe this is just my own personal cynicism about government, be it Democrats or Republicans, but I have posted many discussions about how government is failing. |
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Conservatives In the end, I am still looking for an example of someone that has led a great life because of government, not because of themself--aside from a politician! I can see why many liberals believe there is a possibility to have their life improved by someone else…but it is kind of wishful thinking. Government around the world makes things mediocre at best. DOK |
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Often attributed to Winston Churchill. , The phrase originated with Francois Guisot (1787-1874): "Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." It was revived by French Premier Georges Clemenceau (1841-1929): "Not to be a socialist at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." ref: Wiki |
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illinawek 02-Aug-12, 18:39 |
DOK If you go out and buy a Bentley or a Cadillac or a Hummer, you need a road to drive it on. If you want to hire a skilled worker, you needed a teacher somewhere to teach them how to do their jobs. If you want to catch a flight to go check on your Swiss bank account, you need an air traffic controller to make sure your flight leaves safely. Obama is right: "You.... you didn't build that." So the next time you daydream about how much you could buy at the mall if you didn't pay any taxes, give a thought to the roads you drive on, the credit card you used, or the cash you spent and remember that you needed Government for all of those things. |
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mrmarmalade 02-Aug-12, 18:40 |
At the same time, I don't have one of these jobs so it really doesn't affect me in that personal of a way. I have some retired relatives, state employees, who are currently retired and living really nicely. I'm envious, but at the same time pissed off. I'm financing their retirement via steep taxes, transportation costs, etc. I would like some assurances of my own. It would be nice if I could focus on my own ends instead of theirs. Frequently, I wish I had taken the same route and played it safe. Becoming a cop in Long Island is like hitting the jackpot; save the bravery lecture for someone else. Is it possible for this to have a happy ending? |
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mrmarmalade 02-Aug-12, 18:57 |
Here is what I would like; an even playing field. People claim they want that, but I mean it. You fight for yourself and I'll fight for myself. If public unions mean I have to finance a convenient way of life for a third party, then screw em. When I receive this same consideration, I'll reconsider. As a former school teacher, I was never drug tested. I just had to take one to work for the friggin' PGA as an engineer. I'm an independent contractor. I have NO assurances or guarantees that make me sleep well at night. I resent giving others a good night sleep at my cost. I really do. |
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mrmarmalade 02-Aug-12, 21:18 |
Yes, Mr. M was a victim of union busting. We won a lawsuit via the NLRB in large part to my testimony. I am mentioned prominently in the verdict. Hopefully, I have a large settlement coming after appeals and delays are worked out. Since many feel as if unions are there to protect "the working man," I can attest to other. My sources tell me that the union is holding up a settlement. Instead of accepting cash buyouts for our "suffering," the union is making ANY effort to block these compensatory damages and insist on reinstatement; union dues resumed. So, anyone who wants to challenge my allegiances can move along. I fought that fight. You have not. Ya'll only talk about it. |
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illi When they start using our money effectively and efficiently, getting rid of the waste, fraud and abuse, and when Congress starts living by the same rules they make for us... THEN, maybe, I will be a little satisfied. Until then, WE have made our successes and WE have made our businesses. Government is HINDERING the country from being more successful. The proof of that will be in the morning jobs report for July. I am expecting to hear that claims for unemployment "unexpectedly" jumped again. The economy is in the tank... because of government, not because of businessmen. |
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Wow... Anybody want to argue philosophy can argue it. This guy is arguing facts. DoK |
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AS for the building that argument Obama is wrong. He has the chicken before the egg. Roads came as a result of businesses that built cars. Gov't didn't build roads for Henry Ford to take advantage of… That story is the American story. Government doesn't do jack for people. It taxes us. We build stuff. It does nothing…but provide common defense; which liberals are dismantling as we speak. Sadly. DoK |
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illinawek 03-Aug-12, 13:24 |
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mrmarmalade 03-Aug-12, 13:58 |
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illinawek 03-Aug-12, 14:37 |
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mrmarmalade 03-Aug-12, 14:39 |
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mrmarmalade 03-Aug-12, 14:56 |
Thumper to Somalia @ 05:00. DOK to Columbia @ 05:30 -And there will be the peace. |
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illi The U.S. Democrats are trying every which way possible to become the one party rule over America. They are buying voters by buying unions, buying illegal aliens, buying dead voters along with getting cats and dogs to vote. They are denying, as we speak, Florida to purge their voter roles for this very reason. The U.S. government has become so corrupt, over the last several decades, that you can see we are rapidly heading to that rich and poor nation, without a middle class, just like Mexico. THAT is not solely a Democrat problem... it is a "politician" problem. If the government is not simply corrupt, then it is extremely inefficient, ineffective and wasteful. It is so much so that we are becoming Greece. And, the policies of this current administration are exacerbating the problem tremendously. NO... nobody here wants our government to be like Mexico, but that is where it is headed and where we have been headed for years now. We need to break out of this and establish a true government of, by and for the people... not for the government. |
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illinawek 03-Aug-12, 15:38 |
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Haha Your guy is the one you are thinking of, I am quite sure. DoK |
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