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deeper_insight 08-Aug-15, 21:46	The Trompowski Thread... gameknot.com
deeper_insight 31-Jan-16, 11:55	Deleted by deeper_insight on 31-Jan-16, 12:04.
deeper_insight 31-Jan-16, 12:04	Tromp blitz game win against a 2268 rated Typical Tromp game in high speed format. A 10 min game here.A true Trompowsky Attack game is one that my Bishop does exchange blacks Knight on f6 for my Bishop,leaving doubled pawns on blacks f6,f7 squares.In this case,my opponent takes my Bishop with his Q.So it starts out as a Tromp and moves into an A46 with opponent taking my Bishop with his Q...in this case...producing a Torre,London and Colle System.Opponent had weak structural pawn moves through the game and did not play like a master,unfortunately.I was seeking a stronger game from him,which never came about.Blacks doubled pawns on c5 and c6,isolated black pawns on e6 and a4 will only lead to trouble and capture down the line...as occurred.All purely avoidable.What was that statistical theory I mentioned to you all about many corresp players rating average drops 200-300 points below their regular rating when they play blitz,even 10 minute blitz?Its true,trust me.The shadow knows! Just out of curiosity,I went through the first few moves in the GK chess opening book.First it did not even spell "Trompowsky"correctly(check for yourself!)...it spelled it as...."Trompovsky attack".Then even by only move #2.e6.... this was ALREADY out of GK's opening book database. And some of you club members want to use the GK opening book databases and the sparsely updated GK world database?No further comment here!I pity you,however!Tools to improve,when they can't even spell the opening correctly and transposition capability does not instantaneously surface?Hmmmmm. What was that I mentioned about Rybka or Hiarcs opening book?Not free so its not for you? Again,it takes an occasional investment to improve your game play.That's life my friends. Remember...my opponent below is master rated,not some low rated player,regardless of 10 minute play.Somehow,his pawn advancement/exchange past studies missed the mark.Maybe a ripped out missing page in his book?Who knows. Well,take a look if you wish: [Event "GameKnot Blitz"] [Site gameknot.com/"] [Date "2016.01.31"] [Round "-"]10 minutes,zero increment [White "tactical-abyss"]2372 [Black "mrjbpr"]2268 [Result "1-0"]Early resignation from black before the approaching electrical storm 1. d4 Nf6 2. Bg5 e6 3. Bxf6 Qxf6 4. e4 Nc6 5. Nf3 h6 6. Bc4 Na5 7. Bd3 c5 8. e5 Qd8 9. O-O d6 10. dxc5 dxc5 11. Qe2 Be7 12. Bb5+ Nc6 13. Bxc6+ bxc6 14. Rd1 Qc7 15. Nc3 a5 16. Ne4 O-O 17. c4 a4 18. Rab1 f6 19. exf6 Bxf6 20. Nxf6+ Rxf6 21. Qe3 Qe7 22. Ne5 Bb7 23. Rd7 Qf8 24. Rxb7 Rd8 25. Nd7 Rxd7 26. Rxd7 Qe8 27. Rbd1 Qg6 28. Qxc5 Qc2 29. Qa7 Rg6 30. Qa8+ Kh7 31. Qxc6 Qf5 32. Qxa4 Qg5 33. Qc6 e5 34. Qe4 1-0 Long live the Tromp!It is definitely one of my favorites as white and a killer to the unwary.If you check the link above,i'm sure you will find at least one of my GK long corresp wins against a very high rated player or two,many times in the master level range.Trompowsky's have been played by Susan Polgar and other GM's,so it has over the years,become one of my favorite openings as I have explained in that link above.It can move "out of book"very quickly,leaving your opponents to take their swamp boat down into murky uncharted waters.This is a good thing,trust me!Try the Trompowksy once in a while to experiment.Hopefullt it will become a "full Tromp"with your opponent taking your Bishop with his g7 pawn.Or if he moves,for example, 2....g6 then 3.Bxf6 and then 3.....exf6 producing another pure Tromp.There are plenty of books on the Tromp and DVD sets.Need a recommendation?Just ask or check my link out. Good luck "tromping"on your opponents! TA
deeper_insight 31-Jan-16, 12:36	Another Tromp with delayed Knight capture Just a quickee to show you another style of the Tromp.Doubled pawns on my opponents f6 and f7 squares.Move #12 with my Knight by move #12 begins to weaken the structural format of my opponents Kingside,especially with those doubled pawns.Again,its not so much my opponents 1200 rating,but ME steering him down "uncharted waters" that his brain is not use to seeing in a game.The tromp can twist a players movements into a quick twisted frenzy,regardless of a thousand books they read.This player lost in only 17 moves.Others can take 80 moves(on the higher levels),but many times I still prevail!It takes more than reading books.It takes absorbing and comprehension and memory of what you read and played in practical experience.If you have no practical experience in a Tromp,do you automatically feel you will do ok in it,even if your rating is 2300?Think again,you are disillusioned.I have won against other 2500 rated opponents in the long corresp games and OTB games at 40/2....using many forms of the Tromp.I can bring them out of my personal database at anytime for you.I just do not do that automatically,since they are my winning tools and surprise weapons I have used and will be using again on GK.So,I do not prefer to let all my tricks out of the bag!Kapish? [Event "GameKnot Blitz"] [Site gameknot.com/"] [Date "2016.01.31"] [Round "-"]5 min,zero increment [White "tactical-abyss"]2372 [Black "stmard2"]1200 [Result "1-0"]Opponent resigns with a mate in 1 coming up. 1. d4 d5 2. Bg5 Nc6 3. e3 h6 4. Bh4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Nf3 Bg4 7. Bxf6 exf6 8. Be2 Be7 9. O-O O-O 10. Nh4 Bxe2 11. Qxe2 Qd6 12. Nf5 Qd8 13. Qg4 g5 14. Nxh6+ Kh7 15. Qh5 Kg7 16. Nf5+ Kg8 17. Qh6 1-0 chesstempo.com
deeper_insight 31-Jan-16, 14:13	Additional notes on the Tromp: Again,check that link out and my bd= games in that first post above.You will find many wins against strong GK players from 2100 to 2300 in rating.And those games ARE NOT blitz games! This should more than prove the value of the Trompowsky! Is the tromp as sound as say,the Ruy Lopez?Stats say no.But see,if you base your game play simply on stats,your thinking is flawed!Surprise value can have more value than the stats from 5,000 other players rated at between 2100 and 2700.Are you above 2100 in rating?Will those stats affect your play as a loss because you played a Tromp instead of a long book line Ruy?Not necessarily! Again,you must reevaluate the way you think and stop listening to those others in the clubs or some obscure book telling you to steer clear of a Tromp because of GM Johnny lost with it!Hey,I can do the reverse and tell you how Susan Polgar won with it!Kapish? Take a quick Wiki look: en.wikipedia.org Look interesting?Sure is.And the advantage over a Ruy Lopez?It does not have the exausted long book lines that the Ruy has.So when the Tromp moves out of book much faster(as it usually does),then you and your opponent must play immediately from the gut...not some book!(Uncharted waters).See???????This can be advantageous to the unwary.But you must be prepared with pre study and not the unwary!Get it now? TA
nambam 31-Jan-16, 19:54	T.A. i have read w ith interest your posts extolling the advantages of purchasing a chess engine such as Hiarc or Houdini for example. i am inclined to purchase one, probably Hiarc, but a couple of factors make me hesitate. 1. i am pretty recent adherent to this type of chess playing,about two years i think, but have been playing otb for almost 70 years at club and tournament level ,with complete breaks for various reasons over the years.And have accrued over that time many records of past games in tournament books and various chess manualsby leading players of various eras . i have acting on your advice downloaded a couple of free engines, which i find to be great fun to play against, but of no usein playing against an actual person. how does a chess engine help if your opponent plays out of book? you are then reliant on your own experience and ability arent you? exactly like playing otb, except you cantry variations on a board rather than in your head. in other words what use is a data base once u are out of it? i am still inclined to buy one, but the state of the Aussie dollar in relation to the green back is pretty poor at the moment, about 70cents to the u.s. dollar, so pretty pricy.also at my age i am not going to improve a lot even if kasparov or anand moved in with me and gave private lessons. if i do buy, which would be your reccomendation, based on being the easiest to use. i am pretty hopeless at computer technology also, would like to post and annotate some of my games but havent a clue how, so any help in that area would be appreciated. regards, nambam
deeper_insight 01-Feb-16, 07:59	Deleted by deeper_insight on 01-Feb-16, 08:05.
deeper_insight 01-Feb-16, 08:12	Nambam... Please check my answer to your questions above in the "Opening books/tree's/Stats and more"post.I moved it there which is more appropriate than the Trompowsky thread.It should be temporarily listed at the top of the club posts,since it is a new post.Hope that long post of mine helps!I did not get into extreme detail,but you should get some general ideas of what I mean.
deeper_insight 15-Dec-16, 09:26	More on the theory of the Trompowsky... Members....I am not yet very active on GK for a few months yet,while I heal from my surgeries. However,I ask a few of you to start looking into the Trompowsky Attack as white.Have you ever tried it?Bad or good results?If bad results,have you attempted other "tromp"subvariant lines?Some lines are much stronger than others!But only a good Tromp book or good opening database(like Hiarcs)will give you the proper pathways of success. Later,probably the summer of 2017,I would like to impress upon club members the importance of such openings that have a pattern of moving out of book quicker than other QP openings. Too many times,for example,one player may have a much more superior book than the other opponent.Theoretically and factually many games are WON on the book which can "set up"that opponent much deeper than the other opponent.But some subvariant lines of the Tromp move quickly out of book(as mentioned above several times),sometimes by move 10 or earlier,equally leveling the playing field with no specific advantage to either side at that precise moment in time.In other words,playing "out of book"has its advantages.And playing out of book almost always comes later in the game anyway...(the counterargument)....BUT playing out of book at a much EARLIER stage in the game has even more advantages many times! I have seen,for example,many players draw the game against much stronger opponents who have memorized long opening lines in QP games,but fall a bit to the waist side if the stronger oppents book runs dry from move 8 or 10!Is playing out of book that early a sign of weak play?Well,yes,sometimes!But NOT necessarily with the Trompowski!And that club members,is the difference! Not a well known fact,but true!Take my word for it! So,sure,the Tromp does not have the fine stats that say,a Ruy Lopez has,but the surprise value of the Tromp along with the proper subvariant lines played with the intention of movong out of most or all books by say,move 12-15 max has true advantages for many players!Take for example the Ruy Lopez.Most odf those lines have been exhaustively analyzed over the centuries.Many opening books(both paperback and CD)give you extensive lines that can play out to move 40-50!!So,you find two opponents many times(especially on the master level and above)playing their "book"with little or no personal thought process to move 45!After that,many games become saturated in kind of a sea of equality with little or no chance of either opponent winning. With the Trompowsky,this is not always the case because the opening book lines do not run nearly as deep as a Ruy book.And depending upon the opponents strength,this has advantages and disadvantages...depending. So,again,it is to any club members advantage to pursue other types of openings.The Trompowsky is not an irregular opening like opening up on the flanks.It does maintain central control with some delay perhaps when one must occasionally retreat their Bishop on g5(as white),but the loss of tempo is an illusion and temporary. I recommend the Tromp for intermediate players and above.My personal success rate with the Tromp is excellent.I have no fear of using it against the strongest players on GK,which should tell you something.Also Susan Polgar has used a Tromp occasionally,which should also give you a strong message!I have followed her games for years. Hope we can have an active chat about the tromp,later this year.I will suggest some lines and give you a few diagrams.But for me,probably not till next spring or summer.In the meantime,anyone use the Tromp? chesstempo.com Have you attempted this?Then later exchanged blacks f6 Knight(for a pure Tromp),doubling blacks pawns on f6 and f7?Or perhaps black has decided to capture your Bishop with his Q? Lots of theory in the Tromp,believe me.Later! TA
deeper_insight 15-Dec-16, 10:03	The setup directly above illustrates the usual position after... 1.d4,Nf6 2Bg5,e6 Other Tromps follow: 1. d4,d5 2. Bg5,Nc6 and other moves.So transposition comes in many forms. Above,I mentioned about capturing blacks Knight on f6.This is not necessary for the game to continue to be called a Trompowsky Attack.However,many Tromp "purists"agree that a "pure tromp"game by definition includes the move 3.Bxf6,especially with the opening moves of 1.d4,Nf6.I tend to agree with that,but it is simply a personal viewpoint not set in stone by many strong Tromp players like me.So,you are not forced to take blacks Knight and still be in the subvariant lines of the Tromp by book.
deeper_insight 16-Dec-16, 10:32	Trompowsky subvariants... The Tromp,as many of the masters know,is sill evolving.It can also transpose into a Torre Attack.But one must stay clear of a Torre transposition in order to remain in the "realm of the unorthodox and even bizarre"pure Trompowsky as was quoted from one of my Tromp books by GM Andrew Soltis.This is what can throw an opponents game into the eddies and currents of the unknown. Bizarre early responses in a Tromp,like: 1.d4,Nf6 2.Bg5,Ne4 3.h4!? Can and does throw quite a number of opening books...out of book.Not necessarily Hiarcs.But just try typing in blacks #2 move above on the GK chess opening link!Its ALREADY OUT OF BOOK on move #2!And let alone whites 3rd move of 3.h4. So you begin to see perhaps the weakness's and strengths of opening books?This is why I never even glace at GK's opening book.Maybe the world database occasionally on GK if I'm in a hurry... ect...but even GK's world database is NOT updated and as nearly complete as Hiarcs and other sources. Getting back to 3.h4 : Is this a weak move? Not at all.Sure a bit "weaker"than other possible moves.Its a psychological effect as GM Hodgson mentioned rather than having actual merits.But it does not respresent "enough"weakness to cause white any real problems down the line with good follow through play. Black can follow through on many alternative move for #3 like: 3....c5 or 3.....d5 or a rarer 3....c6. In any case,both white and black,even with whites psy.move of 3.h4 gives only a microscopic edge to black by both Stockfish and Komodo.The edge is not significant enough to keep any advantage,even on the senior master level and the game is = within a small insignificant fractional pawn negativity value. The game above with 3.h4 is interesting because it not only moves out of book quickly,but opens up the h file with some freeing h1 potential Rook maneuvering but forms as I see it, a London like system with possible extra moves that can be thrown in with eventual g2-g4 pawn moves. The idea,therefore, could theoretically tempt black into capturing on g5(if whites advances its pawn to g5) and allowing white to open up his side of the h file.White can then pressure h7 and even sacrifice a pawn on g6 to weaken f7 and possibly e6. I can throw in exact moves from my database,but you guys can probably see the idea here without all the moves being set down.The idea now,is to just illustrate the power of the unknown!Early out of book games that are produced by the Trompowsky can and does yield very fascinating games on many rating levels...even senior master and GM levels. Thus,learning new systems like the Tromp can benefit even players of 1400 or 1500 to 2100. Play it unrated with some opponents and see how you do!You may surprise yourself! Later, TA
deeper_insight 16-Dec-16, 12:06	Diagram from the 3.h4 game move above... 1.d4,Nf6 2.Bg5,Ne4 3.h4 Bishop retraction is a possibility with a small loss of tempo if black does not capture with 3....Nxg5.White can move safely to Bf4,ect.Many times black does not capture whites g5 Bishop and moves like I mentioned....3....c5 or 3....d5.Black feels that there is a significant placement pressure of that e4 Knight to merit some advantage,so he sometimes does not exchange,hoping for errors in overextension from white.White has many significant ways to "not"overextend and maintain equality in odd ways. I have a few good books on the Tromp,but they are small in number since there is not many sources dedicated to the Trompowsky.This is actually a good thing! Why?Because if one trains themselves in the obscure,plays many games out with the bizarre,like 3.h4 above,one can then find advantage to the unprepared opponent!This is the same technique used by most,if not all GM's today and in the past. Forget the stats! Sometimes psychological games like a Tromp will "outweigh"what the stat will tell you about win/loss/draw percentages.So yes,I will stress book value percentages in other openings using opening books like Hiarcs and Houdini,but you must understand that not all stats will apply to all players...all of the time!It depends upon how prepared you are and how unprepared your opponent is!The tromp is a gem that I have always respected and use on a regular basis with SM success! TA
deeper_insight 20-Dec-16, 07:22	Reminder or add in with Tromp books/info: Among books mentioned in the first link of the first post in this thread,you may want to check out some additional reading on the Tromp: www.newinchess.com Cyrus Lakdawala is an International Master, a former National Open and American Open Champion, and a six-time State Champion. He has been teaching chess for over 30 years, and coaches some of the top junior players in the U.S.So his views on the Tromp should be respected. For a quick reference,my 1995 Tromp book(in the link below) by GM Andrew Soltis,is,in my opinion,excellent.That small,old book has helped me in winning many games against above 2200 players.So,if you are below 2100 in rating,can the inexpensive book below help you? Take a wild guess!I've seen it on Amazon(used)for as low as 72 cents.Can't afford 72 cents? Then where and when did your life go wrong?I know bums with a brown bag and a bottle in it,standing outside in the cold at a rescue mission that can afford 72 cents!So no excuse if you truly want to learn openings that can win for you and improve your rating.Invest!Not interested?Then why are you in this club? www.amazon.com

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