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bwaa 10-Jan-13, 15:30	My question exactly After 27...Nf2, White obviously can't pick up the Nd6 because of the threat to his Queen, but any Queen move results in 28...Nxh3+, after which Black will have time for 29...Ne4. Is there any way for White to get out of this?
stalhandske 10-Jan-13, 15:48	well elyhim is entirely correct (for once  ), 27....Nf2 will do just that!
stalhandske 10-Jan-13, 15:51	@bwaa ...and bwaa was right one more time!
brigadecommander 10-Jan-13, 17:02	my mistake was 23,Qg2?. A simple 23.axb5 was called for, When Blacks Rook was still on a1. To further compound the error i played 25.fxe5? when 25.dxe5 was a hell of a lot better and 'may' have held black to a draw. But even that is very problematical. But now things go down hill very fast; 27....Nf2ch. 28.Qg2. Nxh3ch. 29.Qxh3 Nf5. 30.Bxf5 Rxf5. 31.Rxa6 Rgf7. 32.Ra1 h5!! and wins. So i see no other recourse but to resign this game. A Beautiful game by stalhandske!!!! Well done.
myevilluck 10-Jan-13, 17:23	A very good game between you guys. I enjoyed having it set up on a chess board and analyzing it. Very fun, interesting, and complicated game.
jotheblackqueen 11-Jan-13, 03:22	Congratulations, Torsten! Hi Torsten! Great result for you here. It just goes to show what a difference capturing with the wrong pawn makes! Kudos to Janet for her part in creating such a fascinating game! Elyhim and bwaa - I did look at Nf2 but I did wonder whether Janet had a Bxh7+ sacrifice up her sleeve, so I suggested Nf5 but looking at the board again this could be quite easily refuted by RxB and Janet cannot recapture because she loses her queen. So, allowing Nf2 was in fact an oversight, although Janet did give some analysis as to what would have happened after dropping the exchange, it was clear, after such analysis, that Janet could resign on the grounds of ruinous loss of material with a clear conscience. It just goes to show, however, that when a much higher rated opponent than you appears to hang a piece or allow a fork, it pays to look into it very carefully to check to see whether it is a sacrifice or a blunder, before you take the proferred material or execute that fork - trouble is - I have done that in both my matches against Master Dongoodman in my Jo against The Titans MT and gone on to Cop Old Matey, so careful consideration is certainly needed. Sometimes, though the mating sequence or the catastrophe is not immediately obvious after the sacrifice. You, bwaa, analysed this correctly, so all credit to you as well! Also acknowledgements on the contributions and hard work by Pitroque, IM Klauno, Master Elyhim and Expert Myevilluck. Kind regards Joanne
elyhim 11-Jan-13, 05:00	Revisiting 19. ....Nfe4?! and 20. ...g5?! 19. ...Nfe4?! 20. ...g5?? are in my opinion errors. 19. Nfe4?! is dubious because it removes the guard for g4. Which now allows white to play g4 which is what he wanted to do all the long. As for 20. ...g5?? is just to risky with the black king sitting on the g-file. I have known for a while now that white was intending to play g4. So if I was playing I had prepared 19. ...Nde4!? 20. Rf1 Kh8!! White to move. White is in what is called a positional bind because every move he makes is going to give black winning a advantage. Why? because black has stronger control of the centre, the rook can sit on g8 and the fight is on g5 not g4 where black's DSB and knight on e4 ensure that white can not take on g5. Thus white's only real advantage(king side space advantage) passes to black. You couple that with black's other advantages and it is game over!
myevilluck 11-Jan-13, 05:07	25. b6 I think I was misunderstood. Instead of 25. b6 I was thinking dxe5. Which it might still lose, but it puts up a interesting fight for sure. 25. dxe5 fxg4 26. Qxg4 Rg7 27. exd6 gxf4 28. Qxg7 Kxg7 29. exf4 e5 30. Bxe4 dxe4 31. fxe5 Qxe5 32. Rg3+ Kh8 33. Bc1
myevilluck 11-Jan-13, 05:12	Deleted by myevilluck on 11-Jan-13, 05:12.
stalhandske 11-Jan-13, 05:31	Reflections, replies and comments in retrospect I would like to make a few replies now in retrospect to finish up this exciting excercise. The Club recently welcomed IM klauno (Klaus), who kindly took time also to make interesting remarks at the near end of this exercise game (see above). One of his criticisms concerns white's 23. Qg2 ("why not axb5"). In my view one could also add "why not gxf5". Yet, I don't think that 23. Qg2 is much worse than those alternatives, at least not a losing move! Then Klaus points out the idea of black's 23....Ra7 (which I thought was really a nice revelation at the time!), and coolly states that Kh8! had been much better. I bow my head to the Master   He is right! After 24. axb5, 24.....Rg8! and black is clearly better, enough for a win. myevilluck points out that white's 25. b6 is a mistake, and I agree. dxe5 would (I think) have been sufficient for a draw (?). bwaa suggests that 27.Qxg4 is a mistake (pointing out the Nf2 to follow). However, I think the match is over already, unless you find something better than 27. Qxg4. Janet (jstevens1) suggests 27....Nf5 at the end, but that is refuted by 28. Bxe4, for example, which equalises the position As elyhim points out, 27.....Nf2 is the best reply which puts black well ahead in position. Yet, I have a feeling that white might have resigned prematurely. 28. Qg2 would still have included chances.....
stalhandske 11-Jan-13, 05:36	@elyhim & myevilluck Gentlemen, I will shortly return to your very interesting commentaries!
stalhandske 11-Jan-13, 06:06	but Ladies first! brigadecommander suggests that 23. Qg2 would have been bad (implying that this might have contributed to the end of this game). As I already pointed out above, I disagree with this notion and maintain that it is really not significantly worse (or better) than 23. axb5 or 23. gxf5 brigadecommander adds: "to further compound the error i played 25.fxe5? when 25.dxe5 was a hell of a lot better and 'may' have held black to a draw". I respectfully disagree. First, she means 26. fxe5? (and 26. dxe5). Secondly, had she moved 26. dxe5, black would have responded with a crushing 26....gxf4 or 26....fxg4.
brigadecommander 11-Jan-13, 06:50	the 2nd match game will begin on Friday Jan,18th. If that's OK with you Stal.
stalhandske 11-Jan-13, 06:54	the 2nd match game Friday 18th January is fine with me & I am looking forward to it
stalhandske 11-Jan-13, 07:35	@elyhim elyhim suggested earlier already that 19.....Nfe4 was a mistake. He now presents 19...Nde4 as the correct alternative. I admit actually pondering between these two moves for quite some time. But I concluded that 19....Nde4 is slightly less favourable for black. elyhim quotes then 20. Rf1; Kh8, but had I been white I had moved 20. a5 instead, equalising the position! If 20. Rf1; Kh8, white would again be pretty well off with 21. a5, for example. So, all in all and with hindsight, I don't agree that those moves by black were significantly worse than any alternative. 20...g5 now has one less question mark, and I still think it was a quite resonable move which opened up the oyster shell
myevilluck 11-Jan-13, 07:49	20. ...g5 So here is my thing with 20. ... g5 just like elyhim pointed out with the other move. The first time I posted in this thread I said black could do a knight maneuver without worry because white's attack takes so long. Well, I was kind of hinting to people that there was almost nothing white could do. It's just premature to make the move. I believe 20. ...Bf6 was a clearly better move. White really can't do anything about it. What is white going to do move the Rook back to a1? The idea is black can just setup the attack and not have to fire right away at all. Mainly because I believe I found a draw in my analysis. A tough draw, but I think it's possible.
stalhandske 11-Jan-13, 08:19	@myevilluck Thanks for the important comment! I think you are correct insofar as black actually had several degrees of freedom with his 20th move. Had he been conservative, he could have done "your" Bf6, but also b5 was an option already here. However - and this was the deciding point for me - those moves had only lead to further dull preparations and adjustments of positions. By moving 20...g5 instead black might not have done what was "best" theoretically, but the position allowed him to make a more aggressive attack that would break the deadlock. It was an initiative that must have been surprising, and of value also for that reason, a principle not to be discarded in chess. I think that this may be a good example for all our students of a move that may not have been the best "theoretically" (in the minds of elyhim and myevilluck) but which actually won the game!
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