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changeling 21-Jan-13, 08:30	The burden of proof for what art? You are the one who posted on pedophilia, bestiality, pederasty, bigamy etc. You forgot to mention two women etc! What did you want to happen in Iraq? No one mentioned Hussein's trial, or the election! The government there is sovereign! The election 'we' held there? Oxymoron. It was always intended that US troops would pull out of Afghanistan at some point. How long do you think they should remain there? It is obvious you cannot discuss any of these issues rationally. PTSD?
thearrtofnoise 21-Jan-13, 08:34	Yeah, I forgot to mention two women. Outstanding observation. And you're still a hypocrite. Marriage is between one man and one woman, period.
thearrtofnoise 21-Jan-13, 08:37	Yep, we held elections in Afghanistan, too. We set them up, we secured them - and the Afghans voted for their leadership. To my knowledge no Americans were on the ballots in either Iraq or Afghanistan. So, no - we did not infringe upon the sovereignty by placing Americans in charge of Iraq or Afghanistan. The people have spoken.
thearrtofnoise 21-Jan-13, 08:41	Stop taking your medication? I know Afghanistan is not Iraq. I know you cannot shoot your way out of Afghanistan. But don't deny McChystal ten thousand Troops because you're a politician. That's stupid. And don't pull Petraeus out of theater because you think you can manipulate him. He's a Field General - let him fight in the field. It does not make sense to pull Troops out of Iraq and then go to Libya. That is also pretty stupid.
changeling 21-Jan-13, 09:04	Why am I a hypocrite art? I have not mentioned one way or the other my stance on marriage at all. Your definition of marriage is simply not that of some others, period. This is what I actually sad art: "...The government there is sovereign! The election 'we' held there? Oxymoron..." It implies that Americans ran this election. If you mean that American forces put in place conditions to hold a free election that is a different situation entirely. Was it the current administration that was after Petraeus' balls? Or an orchestrated load of crap by others? I would agree to let him continue fighting in the field. Unfortunately US politics being what it is that became untenable did it not? The US did not pull troops out of Iraq and then go to Libya. The 'few' troops sent to Libya were sent not to get involved in a war but to protect American interests there and in the Yemen.
thearrtofnoise 21-Jan-13, 09:09	My definition. Produces children in masses.
thearrtofnoise 21-Jan-13, 09:10	We could run them like Saddam ran them. And he would win 100% of vote all the time. Is that what you want?
thearrtofnoise 21-Jan-13, 09:13	Are you kidding me? We parked a carrier group off the coast and launched bombers and missles at Libya. Then we started arming people. Do you seriously deny that we spent 500 million dollars just sit and watch it all happen? We did not get involved?
changeling 21-Jan-13, 09:25	I did not ask for your definition art. I think it was pretty obvious. Is it what I want? I didn't want any of 'our' troops in Iraq in the first place! As far as I am concerned the middle east can take care of its own problems. It will either become a peaceful region (which I doubt) or not, nothing anyone else can do will alter that. As part of a NATO exercise. We've been through that already. The US is a signatory to NATO. Was the carrier group already in the area and called upon by NATO? What other possible reason could the US have for getting involved, oil fields perhaps?
thearrtofnoise 21-Jan-13, 09:35	What a lame speech. More empty promises, more campaigning, more demagoguery. Emptiest inauguration ceremony ever. The next four years is going to see some serious upheaval.
ace-of-aces 21-Jan-13, 09:36	Who Killed C*ck Robin ( Saddam Hussein ) ? en.wikipedia.org [edit] LyricsThe earliest record of the rhyme is in Tommy Thumb's Pretty Song Book, published c. 1744, which noted only the first four verses. The extended version given below was not printed until c. 1770.[1] Who killed c*** Robin? I, said the Sparrow, with my bow and arrow, I killed c*** Robin. Who saw him die? I, said the Fly, with my little eye, I saw him die. Who caught his blood? I, said the Fish, with my little dish, I caught his blood. Who'll make the shroud? I, said the Beetle, with my thread and needle, I'll make the shroud. Who'll dig his grave? I, said the Owl, with my pick and shovel, I'll dig his grave. Who'll be the parson? I, said the Rook, with my little book, I'll be the parson. Who'll be the clerk? I, said the Lark, if it's not in the dark, I'll be the clerk. Who'll carry the link? I, said the Linnet, I'll fetch it in a minute, I'll carry the link. Who'll be chief mourner? I, said the Dove, I mourn for my love, I'll be chief mourner. Who'll carry the coffin? I, said the Kite, if it's not through the night, I'll carry the coffin. Who'll bear the pall? We, said the Wren, both the c*** and the hen, We'll bear the pall. Who'll sing a psalm? I, said the Thrush, as she sat on a bush, I'll sing a psalm. Who'll toll the bell? I said the Bull, because I can pull, I'll toll the bell. All the birds of the air fell a-sighing and a-sobbing, when they heard the bell toll for poor c*** Robin.
thearrtofnoise 21-Jan-13, 09:36	Afghanistan became a NATO exercise. And look where that got us.
thearrtofnoise 21-Jan-13, 09:37	Oil fields. Right. Because we really took Saddam's oil. FAIL Theory #1957662930.
ace-of-aces 21-Jan-13, 10:30	Who Killed Rooster Robin ( Saddam Hussein ) ? thearrtofnoise said: We did not kill Saddam Hussein The Iraqi's gave him legal representation, put him on trial, found him guilty of murder and hanged him appropriately. The government there is sovereign, and the election we held were free. ===================================================================== GK will not allow that c*ck word. So I replaced with rooster. I apologized if there is misunderstanding. Having said that, the question is similar to, " Who killed Osama Bin Laden ?" President Obama took the full responsibility and credit for it although he did not do it by definition. He just gave the order. In the military there are soldiers who prefer either GOP or Democrats but the mjority are GOP supporters. So, the VETs who are GOP supporters said, Ohama has nothing to do with killing of Osama Bin Laden and the credit goes to Navy Seals who actually carried out the mission and killed him. When Dick Cheney was asked whether he would give full credit to Obama for killing Bin Laden. He said, "no". because the special forces like Navy Seals and Delta forces were developed during Bush administration for this purpose and GOP should get credit for it. After second world war a lot of top military leaders, both Nazis and Japanese were tried and hanged for war crimes. They defended themselves that they were following orders and were not responsible for war crimes killing but this kind of legal defense failed. Correct me if my interpretation is wrong. What noise is trying to say is that, Bush is like a judge who will sentence a criminal such as a murderer to death sentence. The judge will not actually kill the murderer but the executioner will do the actual killing. On the otherhand, Bush is like a policeman who apprehanded the criminal Saddam Hussein and transferred to responsible people. Now the last question, " Did the executioner do the actual killing? " Perhaps, he can give the excuse that the gravity did the actual killing when Saddam was hanged. The analogy is similar to NRAs response to gun violence and killings. Guns don't kill people but people kill people. This is like asking " Who killed Rooster Robin?" There will be no good answers. Please draw your own conclusion.
ace-of-aces 21-Jan-13, 11:15	Afghanistan became a NATO exercise. I disagree with this interpretation. Al Qaeda islamist terrorists' 911 twin towers attack is similar to Pearl Harbor attack by Japanese which made the US to enter into second world war. In bioth situations most of the Americans were united to defend and fight their enemies. America has the right to defend herself and so we invaded and get rid of Taliban in Afghanistan. Member countries of NATO are responsible to help each other when one of the country is attacked. So, NATO has no choice but to send their troops to Afghanistan to fight together with US troops against terrorists. Bush invaded Iraq by his own choice thinking that Saddan was making WMDs. Saddam did not attack US like Islamic terrorists. NATO members like Germany and France felt that Iraqi war was unjustified and did not send their troops. Bush thought Iraqi war would be easy but in retrospect history tells us otherwise. He squandered our treasure and blood in Iraqi war.
itchynscratchy 21-Jan-13, 11:44	<<My definition produces children in masses.>> Does it? Always? Or are you saying that only fertile couples should be able to marry?
tat3225 21-Jan-13, 12:36	I can't speak for thumper or anybody else, but I'm fairly certain it is not "sour grapes" over the election result that turns people off from posting here. This club is a liberal jerk-off carnival 90% of the time.
pecosbill 21-Jan-13, 12:41	TAON: A mother knows the life and feels the life when she is carrying a child. -------------------- And therefore her position counts for more..... correct?
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