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hogfysshe 10-Dec-13, 17:27	annotation - archduke piccolo vs bigpeta students vote game click here > gameknot.com please add your comments and analysis. This game perhaps illustrates the importance of strong endgame skills very well as a game that is even through the middlegame really favors the side with the stronger endgame, ...and therefore was never as close as it seemed. discussion during the game is here gameknot.com gameknot.com gameknot.com
bigpeta 21-Dec-13, 10:50	added my comments as no one else seems interested in adding to the learning process. Thank you Todd for the annotation.
bigpeta 22-Dec-13, 01:47	@Todd in response to your question i added further info about Ke6 on move 39.
hogfysshe 28-Dec-13, 06:57	added minor follow up at 39 gave myself a homework assignment. if anyone with strong endgame skills or a good chess program wants to illustrate how to play to a draw beginning from the position at 39.b4, that would be great. If and when I figure it out, I'll post the sequence. But if someone else gets there first, I'll be happy to be in the audience. Happy Holidays!
bigpeta 29-Dec-13, 02:21	@todd I have the drawing line and reasons why. Just let me know when you are ready to be spoonfed     unless any other team members decide to wake up and join in. regards pete
hogfysshe 29-Dec-13, 05:48	either way if you don't think there is much value in you showing the line and the reasons, then hopefully I can figure it out. on a relatively foreign topic, I figure I can learn quite a bit from being shown an example, especially if a master player adds some explanation. but I'm also sure I could learn as much or more working it out on my own. Again, it may be a little outside my experience so far (or right on the edge); but as I said I hope to take a run at it. thanks for the offer. your judgement whether to post or not. maybe post in mid January if I or one of the van winkles haven't beat you to it?
bigpeta 30-Dec-13, 04:09	and the answer is The starting position for this explanation of how black could have drawn begins as white has played 39.b4 39... Ke6 is the key move in setting up the draw. Now you can see that the Kings cannot cross the divide on row 5 as long as opposition is maintained. The two Ks could shuffle about on either side of this divide until either the 50 move rule or more likely three fold repetition occur. So for either side to progress there must be pawn moves. 40. Kd4 Kd6 41. c3 The extra move that seemed to worry the discussion during the game. However now is the time to play b6 and whites extra tempo has been soaked up. It is the nature of the sublety of endgame play that b6 before Ke6 loses where playing it after assures a draw. Now a typical pawn sequence might go 42. c4 (or b3) c5+ 43. bxc5+ bxc5+ leaving a pawn face off 44. Ke4 Ke6 45. b3 a5 and now neither side can advance a pawn without losing the game. 46. Kf3 Ke5 47. Ke3 Kf6 48. Ke4 Ke6 49. Kf3 Kd7 50. Kg2 Kd6 51. Kf2 Ke7 52. Kf3 Kf6 53. Ke4 Ke6 54. Kf3 {draw by threefold repetition}) With only K moves available there soon comes a threefold repetition. Moves 46 49 and 54. It should be noted here that the repetition does not have to be consecutive. It can occur at any point in the game.
hogfysshe 30-Dec-13, 15:10	Thanks Pete I had my sigma program looking at it too. Even though that is a weak program, and I'm not sure I used the best settings, it was showing similar sequences. just picked up two endgame books (Alburt and Silman). in theory I'll open them and and even read a portion at some point. Now how does one KNOW (during the game) that ...Ke6 is that much better than ...b6? Because, with ...b6, the white K still does not have access to f5, d5, and e5; Perhaps the feeling was that the opposition was well addressed. Does the understanding that ...Ke6 is best come from knowledge of this type of position, from playing out different scenarios, from general endgame experience, all of the above? I'll study what you said about causing white to dissipate his advantageous tempo. but any extra thoughts also appreciated. Thanks Again

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